Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race (Part 1)

Lore behind them, voice, high elf tag? And yes, paladins would fit well with high elves.

I dont know why void elves look different to me then high elves?

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The Lore already exists. If someone chooses to make a Void Elf, that looks like a High Elf, then the High Elf lore is their lore, it’s their story.

It’s like how Blizzard described it. Your character story is your own. So like, if you make a Dwarf, right, and use the customisation to absolutely Wildhammer it up, then you can have been born in the Hinterlands or Twilight Highlands, you don’t have to have been born in Ironforge. The same is true of a Void Elf that is identical to a High Elf. They don’t have to be a Void Elf that looks like a High Elf, they can just -be- a High Elf.

Same way as not every Human in game starts their adventuring career at Northshire Abbey. Same as Not Every Goblin was a minor trade boss on Kezan who inexplicably had staff with the exact same names as other Goblins on Kezan, who were also trade rivals to Gallywix. Not Every Goblin was on that -one- boat that the Alliance attacked. How do we know that? Because there were already Goblin NPC’s around before the race became playable, heck, one of them is the 2iC of SI:7… So the Lore, is the Lore of the race. Your player character can fit that, if you are a Voidy who looks like High.

I kind of see what you mean. They do sound different, but then, have you ever clicked on High Elf NPC’s? They don’t sound the same as Blood Elf NPC’s (Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but don’t get me started on that), they actually use similar Voice files to the Kaldorei ones. It is all a bit strange, as that just wouldn’t happen to a culture. You can, and -do- lose accents and pick up new ones when you move to somewhere else, 46 year old Brigante player IRL sounds nothing like 10 year old Brigante player IRL, But you’d need a massive cultural paradigm shift, and also it doesn’t effect everyone the same way. Despite the time away from our place of birth, my mother still has her accent, I don’t (Though in fairness, am a Voice Actor, so good at changing voices) but can still ‘do’ my birth accent, but my younger brother, can’t even fake the accent he was born with.

So for a group of Exiles to have uniformly lost the way to speak, the way they used to speak is very weird indeed. However…They already have, as depicted by the High Elf NPC’s in game. So what you’re getting with the Void Elf voice, whilst you and I might find it ridiculous, is actually indicative of how High Elves are. For some reason, they all lost their Thalassian Accents collectively.

Literally does not matter. Makes no difference whatsoever to anything. Prove me wrong, tell me a scenario where that makes a difference.

But why though? There were only ever like three or four of them. They’re not an iconic Quel’dorei class at all, and never were. I mean even of the ones that exist they are mostly now Blood Knights. I mean Mehlar Dawnblade studied under Uther himself, and is now a Blood Knight. Tarenar Sunstrike, whilst being a Paladin, is also a Sin’dorei, not Quel’dorei.
Paladins were never part of the Quel’dorei. A few examples existed, so few you could probably count them on the fingers of one hand even if you had some fingers amputated.

Paladins are -not- a Quel’dorei thing.

Their ‘Thing’ was Rangers and Mages.

If you want Quel’dorei Paladins to be a massive thing, then you don’t really want Quel’dorei to be playable on Alliance at all, do you, you just want Prettier Paladins than Alliance already get.

If they give the hair colours (Which they really should) then Void Elves with the Blood Elf skin tone, and Blood Elf hair colours will actually look identical to…well, what they -should- look like.
Blood Elves and High Elves are physically indistinguishable, so they -should- look that way. Void Elves use the Blood Elf model, so really, give them the pink skin and hair options and they will look like a Blood Elf, which is what a High Elf looks like, because they are the same Species!

I seriously think they should give the hair options. That would end all this, once and for all…

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possibly, do we want that? No.

Im happy with void elves to get full Alleria look a like option it’s theirs natural look.

Silver covenant…thousands times.

Similar, and that is what makes them unique. Really, that voice alone is like 40% why i want them playable.

It does make difference for me. When i point over my character i know who i am.

High elf, tag ,which we are asking surely know that he is not blood elf, not void elf, but high elf.

Because void elves will never get that option, unless there would be lifted boundaries for any race/combo

but they would make sense to have paladins as class.

I want highelves , paladins would be nice, shamans ?

I really want night elfs paladins and shamans to happen.

They will give that, but i doubt that will end this

Actually it’s not. Despite your zero effort to prove otherwise xD

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there’s still a lot of players wanting high elves, you can not deny it.

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Last I checked there are no playable highelves.

if we’re talking specifically about the alliance one then it’s Void, sooooo…

horde - blood.

Yes they are. We’re all humans, yeah? Are you saying all humans are the same? Being of a different political group brings with it major differences to your culture and ways of life. An Europe citizen would be very different than say, a traditional Japanese person. These differences separate us, and make us unique. To say being of a different political group isn’t big enough of a difference just spits all over what the very history of humanity as a whole.

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Yes and No

Basically the difference between Blood Elves and High Elves is only a very recent (certainly to Elven perspective given their lifespans) change. In game it has been a little over twenty years. That isn’t long enough for a shift in cultural paradigm. To take your example of European and Japanese people, you’re looking at two different ethnic groupings. Yes, we are all H. Sapiens Sapiens, However there are actual differences between Caucasians and Asiatic people, but these differences were fostered over thousands of years, hundreds of generations, There was no contact between Europeans and Japanese people until I think 1511, when Vasco de Gama carried out his voyages. They had been separate for so long, that they had almost nothing in common, culturally.

Thing is, Blood Elves and High Elves aren’t different ethnic groups, they are the same one, and the schism was only 20 or so years ago. That isn’t long enough to come up with your own national culture. Blizzard even say this themselves, if you look up ‘High Elf’ on Wowpedia, it states with sources that High elves don’t actually have their own culture, they are defined by what they were, not what they are now. Their culture is Thalassian, the same as the Blood Elves. We can even see that in game.

The essential difference as things stand is more a political divide, than a cultural one.
To give another example, when the Russian revolution happened, many of the aristocracy or even common folk, referred to as ‘White Russians’ (Yep, like the cocktail) sought refuge in places like London, and Paris. Their culture was still Russian however, it was political divides that forced, well, yes, their Exile. In fact that is a perfect example, where a segment of a culture is forced into Exile to foreign lands. The White Russians didn’t all suddenly start wearing bowler hats and going “Cor blimey Guv’nor” and apparently the High Elves have not stopped thinking of themselves as Thalassian. Both Vereesa and Alleria make comments to this fact.

One English person may vote Conservative (The Scumbags :stuck_out_tongue: ) and one may vote Labour (meh), They are diametrically opposed on the Political spectrum, however their culture is still ‘English’ if that makes sense.

It is a shame High Elves weren’t made playable, but hopefully if there is further customisation available for Void Elves, people can at least -portray- a High Elf on Alliance. I know a few do already on RP realms.

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High Elves already exist on the alliance. As said, no one is trying to take away from blood elves. High Elves share only half of the same history as blood elves. But their history then divides, and they go their separate ways. What blood Elves have become, that is their own uniqueness. They have went through a lot. Their history is long, and filled with addictions, and strife, and victory, and a newfound peace with the new sunwell.

High Elves have none of this. They cannot take that part away from you. They are not on the horde, they do not have Silvermoon, they did not change their names to blood elves to honor their fallen, they do not have the sunwell and are becoming infused with their light. Their history is closer to that of the humans now, as they have merged with them. And really, there is so much more room for high elves to be further expanded upon, and to be made further distinct from blood elves.

as opposed to the Void elves who got Banned from Silvermoon only two years ago?

Again, theve been banned from Silvermoon 2 years ago VS the High elves 20 years. (as you put it)

Moontear you cant say facts without bringing evidence. People who want High elves have accepted the Void elves as they are (however hoping further custimization is added along the way)

You on the other hand, want a seperate race which just wont happen given we already have 2 playable thalassians models and i doubt Blizzard will add a third.

Wouldn’t call ~10 years that long of a history (we are at around 33 AD, after the Dark Portal, the Blood Elves become a thing after the Third/Chaos War, in the Rise of the Lich King, Frozen Throne expansion of WCIII, in 22 AD)

Actually, the opposite, Blood Elves share 99% of their history with the High Elves… since, you know , Blood Elves ARE High Elves, just renamed themselves

Wrong on soooo many levels

What makes a high elf so appealing is their connection to the alliance. They played a very crucial role in the rts series for the alliance you know. And people still remember those days, and fond over them. People just want a bit of that back.

Players always wanted highelves not void elves. The Silver Covenant is the most unified force and probably still outnumbers the void elves. Silver Covenant of course is the faction most people have wanted.

I am fine with more void options, but I think the current hair options do not work on the new skin tones. it is unfair to only give people half of what they want. So they should add in a few human hair styles, and some normal hair colors. This is all they need, and the compromise will finally be fulfilled.
Again, I am fine with more void options too. But the way I see it, void options are in a finished state even if they could add more. Where as high elf options are only half complete.

I personally would love to play Silver Covenant high elf, rather then void elf or blood elf. :slightly_smiling_face:

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It is…i hope they make them playable despite void elves and blood elves.

Thats why people want them.

:clown_face:

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A Vulpera Caravan in Vol’dun probably outnumber the Void Elves… :smirk: (and if the Quest with Gonk is cannon ,who collects void elven heads, their number after Zuldazar probably way lower)
I guess the answer to that question lies in the reaction of the Hordies, especially Blood Elven players, who went ballistic because Void Elves now could look like them and have the nerve to call themselves High Elves (wich they are, like the Blood Elves, tho void infused, they are still High Elves tecnically, just have a name they picked up and tentacles and skintone, a bit how the Blood Elves some of them were fel infused with green fel eyes)
Immagine the upraoar if instead voidies they would gave us the High Elves
"But muh blood elven uniqueneeees… reeee’
*shiver *

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Yes they are diffrent ethnics groups. check the lore

Never said they were, but it’s not half, The History of the High Elves was exactly the same since their Exile from Kalimdor, So Thousands and thousands of years, until Kael’thas renamed the race. Even then, plenty of those who would later be Exiled and join the Alliance were Blood Elves. Then the Exile happened, and those Exiled who had been Blood Elves renamed themselves again, reverting to the name High Elves. (This is all before Blood Elves became Horde) This was only twenty or so years ago, the schism. So if you compare thousands, well, Seven Thousand and a bit years of common history and 20 years of being Exiled then, that is not exactly half the history is it?

It isn’t though. The Blood Elves as a body politic have only existed since WCIII, Before then they were High Elves. The Mana dependency is something that both Blood and High Elves suffer from (The Exception being the Highvale Rangers, who have just cut themselves off from Magic entirely), because that is what the Exile was about. Basically everyone lived off the Sunwell happily, Then Arthas nuked it, then Kael’thas sent Rommath back with the Technique (Because draining from living creatures is actually a learned technique, not an innate ability) of draining mana from living creatures. Those Elves who objected to learning this technique were Exiled. They still felt the same hunger, so some moved to Dalaran and fed sparingly on the magic energies there in the leylines, some moved to human cities, notable Stormwind and Theramore, where there was a ready supply of small magic items they could buy and drain of their mana. We see exactly that they still had the same gig going on as Blood Elves, as we saw what happened to the Elves of Quel’lithien Lodge when they found a magic item that was -too- powerful, gorged on it, and all became Wretched (Bar three of them who survived).

High Elves do have the Sunwell, by that I mean that now it nourishes them just as much as it does the Blood Elves, we see this in the short story ‘Shadow of the Sun’ Where Priestess Aurora says that she can feel its energies once more, and is sustained by it, and she’s an Exile.

Basically the Sunwell don’t care, If you’re a Thalassian Elf it nourishes you, be you Blood or High. Exception being Belf DK’s who get a different addicton, and Voidies who are pretty much cut off from the Light. The Sunwell also has no range restriction according to Blizz, it spans all of Azeroth and beyond, even reaching Draenor, so can transcend planets and time itself, as well as alternate realites. (I have no idea how this works, but Blizz says it does)

Well yeah, obviously? I mean High Elves and Blood Elves are genetically identical, Void Elves are no longer biologically the same as High Elves and Blood Elves and are the result of a magical Void experiment gone wrong.

And? Void Elves don’t have a national culture either yet, They’re Thalassian Elves who collectively suffered a massive ‘industrial accident’. That isn’t a cultural paradigm…That’s a group tragedy.

Understandable, But 90% of those Elves are now dead, and of the survivors 90% of them are Blood Elves. I’m just saying people need to be realistic and manage their expectations to avoid disappointment.

Bizarre thing is, you have people who want Silver Covenant so much, they don’t actually care about playable High Elves that aren’t Silver Covenant, they can be kicked to the curb. Which I find bizarre, if you want High Elves, get High Elves and make your character Silver Covenant. It’s not like the Sunreavers, as their opposites, look any different from other Blood Elves.

Be pretty down with that. Ain’t no skin off my nose, if I want my Legolas fix I go play LOTRO for a bit, if I want my Elves as they were in our real life myths and legends fix, well, I log WoW and play this fella.

But if people do want that Elves as good guys LOTR kind of vibe then sure, let em have High Elves.

For a start, don’t you dare derail this thread like you have others with your personal hatred of Blood Elves, this is about High Elves, and what customisation Void Elves.

That said, the Lore clearly states they are exactly the same biologically, Blizzard have even stated this. A High Elf exposed to Fel gets green eyes from their time and a Blood Elf who lived in say, Dalaran would have blue eyes. There even NPC’s in game who reflect this, when we first meet Auric Sunchaser in the Allerian Stronghold in TBC, he has fel green eyes, he is also most definitely a High Elf, when we first meet Lanesh the Steelweaver in Dalaran, he has blue eyes, he is also most definitely a Blood Elf.

Apart from anything else, your ethnic group does not change in your own lifetime, that isn’t how it works.

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Lmao. This is why blizzard needs to confirm if new void elves are able to join.

Meaning if the High elves we saw in Telogrus actually became Void elves. That would increase the population a bit, I doubt it would be any higher than the High elves or Vulpera tho.

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Is this topic still not dead? You got what you wanted. Stop pushing the topic again and again.

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Yeah but… we do look similar and have a similar culture. The difference between us is very very small. We have the same language, same body, almost same appearance aside from hair. We are basically the same people with a different racial and politics. That was my main point.

Technically we didn’t. The most natural hair color we have is This Grey, which makes me look like a 10,000 year old lady older than Anastarian himself. I’m tired of looking like a Grandma. GIVE ME MY BLACK HAIR BLIZZARD!

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Lets not forget that Blood and High Elves bleed red, Void Elves bleed purple, so it has clearly altered them to a cellular level.

They may -look- similar, but clearly their DNA is no longer the same, not that Azeroth has discovered DNA yet, but yeah, Superficially they look similar, and like the High Elves, would still classify their culture as the same as Thalassian culture, because, well, it is, Their history is the same as the Blood Elves, whose history is the same as the High Elves, just bits got lopped off along the way.

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high elves not playable.