This.
this is bs and can’t be considered as “truth”
Yes, but they are different races now.
This.
this is bs and can’t be considered as “truth”
Yes, but they are different races now.
I wish I can post a popcorn gif for this… interesting conversation.
Meanwhile, if you do change your mind OP, I suggest joining one of the biggest High elf role playing Guild: Azure Dawn. They might change your mind on roleplaying as a High elf. In fact, when I was OOC in Stormwind today I got many compliments on my Transmog through whispers
i do not want RP, i want play high elf, such as silver covenant one
That is not the objective facts of the matter however, that is just someone making a post saying it. I can type an essay as to why Gnomes and Ogres are related, but that wouldn’t make it true, would it?
Well if you think Blizzards lore is Kodopoop then why do you care anyway?
They so aren’t! That isn’t how race works! OK, let me give you an example, right, to try and put this into context for you. Two Englishman. One votes Conservative (The blue party) and One votes Labour (The red party…damn this metaphor writes itself! ) They both share a house. Then one day a neighbour turns up, and teaches the Labour voter how to cook meat. The Labour voter likes meat, and has loads of it in the kitchen. The Conservative voter (Who is vegan) is scandalised “How can you do that, that’s disgusting! Meat is Murder!”
The Labour Voter then goes “Tough, this is my house, and I’m cooking meat tonight, you don’t like it, there’s the door, get out of my house!”
Now riddle me this, at what point do they stop being the same race? Same Nationality even?
If you’re not interested in RP then you wouldn’t care that High Elves came from Trolls would you? It simply wouldn’t matter to you!
Also a reminder, Silver Covenant are not the Only High Elves. Why are you so against people just getting High Elves?
i mentioned before, that according to the titans (chronicles) elves evolved from the trolls.
Since the titans were proven many times wrong, it is yet unknown if is exactly like the titans portraying this.
blood elf race and high elf race, two different, and there’s new one, void elf race.
Ok, you’re right , looks like i am a role player after all.
SC elves most developed and least resources required to make them playable. That’s only reason i keep mentioning them.
Yeah, I get that, let me explain what I mean, it’s kind of like Science in that regard, Science can’t tell us everything, it can just tell us everything we know up until this moment in time
500 years ago it was scientific -fact- that you couldn’t build a boat out of metal, because everyone knew that metal sinks in water, we later learned that actually we could. 200 years ago it was scientific -fact- that you couldn’t build Aircraft, till we later learned that we could, now looking back on that with ‘meta’ knowledge, we know that those people back then were wrong. but at the time, they were right . Warcraft lore is much the same. Ironically we know the lore much better than any of the major powers in Azeroth because we have that ‘meta’ knowledge. We know more than Sylvanas, Anduin, Thrall. I mean consider Cut Scenes. Does anyone apart from Sylvanas and the Jailor know about their discussion?
No. Do we as a -player-? Yes.
From a Lore perspective, what we -know- is that Elves were descended from Trolls (Because we don’t actually know that the Titans are wrong in that matter, Blizz never said that, it is perfectly possible that the Titans were right on that one).
Even the Elves themselves believe this to be true, as the Blood Elves mock the Kaldorei at the preparation of the battle for Suramar by leaving stolen Troll Tiki’s in the Kaldorei encampment with signs saying “We wanted you to feel at home and remember your heritage”
(Which is a really weird flex, because given that Sin’dorei and Quel’dorei are both descended from Kaldorei that means it is also -their- heritage )
So if you look at it from a character Lore perspective, it is a known and unanimously agreed fact. Night Elves, High Elves and Blood Elves all accept it as fact.
Nope. Blood Elves are High Elves that call themselves Blood Elves. That is literally what they are. They are the same race, I’m using the word ‘race’ in it’s correct sense here. Blizzard, like many fantasy settings, use the word ‘race’ incorrectly, for example describing Dwarves and Humans as two separate races. They’re not. They’re two separate -Species-.
Void Elves however are a different matter, and you may well be right (I think you are!) They have fundamentally changed vastly from the standard Thalassian Elf, whether Blood or High, we know this because the very building blocks of life have been altered. Their skin colour pigmentation has altered from that of a Blood or High Elf, and even their very -blood- colour has altered from red to purple. I’d say you have a very strong argument that the Void Elves are indeed a separate race in the correct sense of the word.
Well, I mean caring about the lore is part of being an RP’er, so maybe you are!
blood elves, not night elves. Night elves know that their bodies were created by image of Elune herself.
Debatable, since there is both sides has approving material. As i night elf i know, we are not troll descendants.
In your dreams, night elves did not accepted nor will accept such foolish theory.
Blood elves were high elves. Now they are blood elves and will remain as such.
Incorrect, human race and dwarf race. Two different.
Are they though? Do the natives of Fyzandi believe the same, given that they also
worship Elune, and the first Night Warrior was one of them?
The whole ‘Created in God’s Image’ was a conceit of the Bible, and even then, has been watered down and altered to have made it more understandable to the uneducated masses in Medieval times. I mean take Angels. Everyone knows what Angels look like, right? Celestial Humans with white dove wings and a halo around their head, right?
Wrong.
They were originally described as being horrific burning wheels of fire, with feathers cascading from them and eyes everywhere. More like N’zoth, to be honest, but N’zoth if it was on fire.
Elune may very well look -Nothing- like a Night Elf. Probably doesn’t, in fact. Deities rarely look like their creations.
Yes but my point is, that all the -in game- material says that they are. Plus, you are not a Night Elf, you are a human being sat at a computer playing a game where you take on the role of a Night Elf. Same as I am not an actual Blood Elf. I have a Night Elf character, if I say we are descended from those Dark Trolls who lived around the Well of Eternity, does that make it true?
Also pretty sure it was the Night Elves themselves who made that knowledge known, so -they- obviously believe it. We can tell when they don’t believe things, because they get very snippy about it “Elune is a Naaru” “Shut your mouth Velen, No she isn’t!”
Pretty sure they would have had something to say about the matter if it was a commonly held belief that they vehemently disagreed with.
well, they kind of obviously have done so.
Incorrect. High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race. They just call themselves different things. I am English, if I call myself French, does that make me French? No.
Same thing.
If Lor’themar Theron turned around and said “Right, we’re done with mourning the fallen now, we’ve gotten over it, we’re going back to calling ourselves High Elves” You know what would change?
Nothing. Nothing apart from what they -call- themselves. Blizzard have confirmed this. They are exactly the same people, split by politics and what they call themselves.
Weird factor on that though, Blizz have made two lore inconsistency mistakes.
When Orbaz Bloodbane is chiding Thassarian for wanting to rescue Koltira from Scarlets, he refers to Koltira as a ‘Blood Elf’ But because the Death Knight starting scenario was a flashback, Orbaz would not have called Koltira a ‘Blood Elf’ because nobody was calling themselves Blood Elves at that point, they were all High Elves. (Obviously Koltira later made the political choice to call himself a Blood Elf and join the Horde, which kind of reinforces my point)
Similarly in the Blood Elf starting quests, you find Sylvanas’ ring and are sent to Undercity to return it to her. Banshee’s then appear and start singing their song, with ‘Sin’dorei’ as the refrain. Why though? Sylvanas was never Sin’dorei, She was never a Blood Elf. Throughout her entire life until her death, she was a Quel’dorei. A High Elf. Because Kael’thas didn’t even -rename- the race until after Sylvanas had been killed!
Bizarre, but eh, sometimes narrative trumps lore.
No, I am correct. They are not two separate -races-, they are two separate -Species- A Race is a distinction between two or more branches of the same -Species-. So for example, a Dark Iron Dwarf is of a separate Race to a Bronzebeard Dwarf, even though both are the same species.
Got to remember that Azeroth is not Earth, there is only one sentient and sapient species that we know of, and that is H. Sapiens Sapiens. As in Humanity. Every last one of us on the planet. Now -within- our species, we have varying different races, based on varying factors, could be skin colour, susceptibility to certain medical conditions, lactose intolerance (Honestly not making that up) or general physiognomy . Different Races. Same Species.
A Lion has four limbs, one heart, teeth designed to eat meat, and forms social groups.
So…Like Humans then.
Do we call Lion’s a different race? No, of course not, there are other differences. They are a different -Species-, not a different -Race-.
NO. I will put this short - any living being was created not evolved from something into a something.
Angels can be good and evil and neutral…
Where?
Now you know, we did not descended from trolls, dear night elf.
I think we will find more in the end of shadowland or next expansion related to Fyzlandia?
Link please source.
If you change nationality and passport you are a french, not english anymore. TRUTH.
Fel magic affected them, like void did to void elves.
Yes you are not correct. There are dwarf race and human race, not “humanoid” race
Dear diary,
so for you there’s no difference between a lion and a human?
OMG…flash news according to brigante:
Blood elves were high elves, not anymore. Now there are 3 separate elven races: blood/high/void.
Yeaaaah…You kind of lost me at this point.
Wow…just…like…wow…
Yeah, the shocking truth. There are so much more…yet for me to discover.
Hope you find your way to the truth, else you might end like Ursoc did… erased soul from existence.
I mean wow…I mean surely you are talking just Azeroth here, you’re not saying you genuinely don’t believe in Evolution?
it’s another big lie.
Hmmm
No they are not and if you knew anything about lore you would have know that.
Yes they are seperate species
The blood elves (or sin’dorei , “children of the blood” in Thalassian — pronounced [ˈsiːndɔraɪ], [siːnˈdɔraɪ] or [siːndɔreɪ]) are high elves who changed their name after the Scourge invasion of Quel’Thalas.[4]
Thank you for providing facts backed up with links
No they are not its a diffrent race
Yes exactly two diffrent races
You might want to read that again, as it says they are the same.