Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race (Part 1)

I guess you’re right if I think a bit more about the situation. Best solution would have been really just to give them another AR-slot at this point.

Uh, didn’t they do this with Sylvanas in this expansion already? I don’t think this would sit well with the players again. The Light/Dark-theme makes way more sense to me because how simple it is. I personally don’t believe that the Alliance belves/helves/velves will ever get their customized Paladin-class.

You are making the catergorical error of doing that thing where you suppose all alliance players are crazy about helf. Just don’t. I don’t need a pathetic apology from blizzard for having the “audacity” to write their lore as they see fit and anyone who thinks they are entitled to one needs to grow the heck up.

Also, can’t imagine it will be popular changing peoples races for them. Say Bob likes Void elves. One day he logs in and his character is a high elf. Bob is sad. But bobs sadness is irrelevant according to Retributor because helf > velf so Bob needs to suck it up as does anyone else like it.

And this is because certain folks who wished for that change for Bob aren’t satisfied with being able to play a helf looking character for all intents and purposes. No, they are annoyed by the name tag and believe they have some strange entitlement to expect that blizzards lore is written to accommodate this. So who cares about Bobs agency. It is irrelevant.

And some people still do not get why people perceive some helf advocates as entitled. Are you actually serious.

You got probably as good as deal as you will get with the lore in current state. Unsatisfied, you now demand you reverse the choices of other players because you’re unsatisfied? When does it end?

Changing their races, demanding AR slots to facilitate the smallest of differences between otherwise identical races?
Please try and look at this from the perspective of someone who is dispassionate (not hating) of helves and tell me if you think asking for the above is reasonable with the current proposed skins? You’re unhappy being given a pie slice when nobody else gets one, so you’re now demanding changing other people’s orders or staking a claim to their ability to order in the first place and why?

Because way back when when the chef decided to take most fish off the menu and outsource it to a different restaurant, you believe you were “owed” those fish dishes because well, the restaurant has always sold fish and you liked that. You don’t want to lose it.

It’s not all about you, and when you start suggesting literally changing the decisions of other players (that have no impact on gameplay for the mist part, it is a primarily expressive choice) for your own preferences, if you conclude that is anything but selfish then you are lost.

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‘Fixing’ what’s not broken is what stupid people do.

I can understand tacking on blue eyes to Blood Elf customization. Outside of The Silver Covenant, Silvermoon likely has the second highest population of “true High Elves” that, by some miracle, avoided turning Wretched without sapping on Fel Crystals and didn’t later sap on the purified Sunwell.

It’s a stretch, but it is at least plausible.

However…

If I am expected to believe giving The Alliance full High/Blood Elf customization because 1 or 2 ‘true’ High Elves joined Alleria after being exiled from Silvermoon for studying The Void, and somehow didn’t undergo the ‘change’ like everyone else but still possesses the same racials makes ANY kind of sense… I don’t.

If Blizzard was hellbent on adding High Elves to both factions, then they should have made them into a neutral allied race similar to the Pandaren. Have all of them come from The Silver Covenant, share the same racial abilities and have the players choose whether they wish to continue allying with The Alliance or to join their brethren in The Horde.

As it stands currently, it seems 100% fan service and caving into demand without any thought paid to a lore explanation/lore reason to add them in this late or even at all.

So giving Hord Blood Elf was not 100% fan service and caving into demand without any thought

So how come Blood elf cant have red eyes when in classic blood elf had red eyes o.o

I don’t mind Blood Elves getting blue eyes, but Silvermoon is the least likely place where “true High Elves” live…
I would imagine Blood Elves don’t like “High Elves” that insist on calling themselves High Elves, because to Blood Elves the distinction is not based on sucking mana out of living things or not, whether they are in the Alliance or the Horde. The name is one that honors the blood spilled by their brothers and sisters in the Third War, to make sure no elf forgets that they are here because of the ones who aren’t.
I would think any Blood Elf who hears another elf refuse to use the name “Blood Elf” is spitting on the memory of all those who died. So any “High Elves” who decide to move to Silvermoon and re-join Quel’Thalas will most likely call themselves Blood Elves.
If they don’t want to call themselves Blood Elves they wouldn’t have refused to re-join their kin in Quel’Thalas in the first place. Since the High Elves clung to the moniker “High Elf” to differentiate themselves from the rest of their people.
While High Elves and Blood Elves aren’t on the friendliest of terms, there’s more animosity from the High Elves. They are the ones that joined Jaina in the purge, they are the ones who turned Lor’themar away when he approached them with the offer of support from Quel’Thalas.

The difference between “Blood Elf” and “High Elf” has never been about the color of one’s eyes anyway.

I assume by ‘change’ you refer to Void Elves being blue.
This change does not come along by studying the Void or harnessing it’s power.
Void Elves only changed because Nether-Prince Durzaan, a Void Ethereal, trapped Umbric and all his followers in the Telogrus Rift and started a ritual in order to change them fully into beings of the Void.
This ritual was interrupted by Alleria Windrunner and The Champion of Azeroth (you) when they killed Durzaan. With the ritual interrupted, Umbric and his followers only changed halfway, hence they are the Void Elves of today.

This created a problem in the lore. Because with Durzaan dead and no indication that anyone else can perform this ritual, new Void Elves can’t be created.
Meaning they will die out quickly as they take combat casualties, as they are very few. Less than a hundred most likely.
In addition to this there’s no logical reason as to why they would perform this ritual even if Locus-Walker (the friendly Void Ethereal) knew this ritual. Since the change was only the result of a trap and an interrupted ritual anyway.

But with the addition of normal skin colors, one can theorize that the Void Elves who were the original followers of Umbric are the “1st Generation.”
While the ones with normal skin coloration will be those who came after, the 2nd Generation, to study the Void, under the tutelage of Alleria, Locus-Walker and Umbric. The ones we can see in the Telogrus Rift today.

Alleria is proof that any elf who studies the Void doesn’t change physical appearance. She studied the Void under Locus-Walker long before she absorbed the power from a darkened Naaru after all.

So I like that the Void Elves get normal skin coloration, because it explains how more Void Elves can be “created”.
BUT that does not mean I want Void Elves to look identical to Blood Elves.
So I don’t want to see Void Elves with green or golden eyes for example.
And while I wouldn’t mind if they added “normal hair colors”, I personally wouldn’t use them.
The only thing I want at this point is jet-black hair and snow-white, as I think both fits the Void Elves and should have been there from the start.

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Typical Blood elfs :stuck_out_tongue:

Let’s be real here, it was a hard blow enough for Horde-players to see that after all that whining and complaining the “entitled” people actually had a point all along. It doesn’t matter what or whom we call these days x elves, in the end it’s just damage control on both sides.

This is not a new thought so I wouldn’t call it “damage control”.

The Blood Elves took the name to honor their fallen kin.
Not because “Blood = Red = Horde” or because “Sucking mana out of things = Pseudo-vampires = Blood.”

So to say Blood Elves probably wouldn’t like it if another elf came along and was like “I refuse to call myself a Blood Elf!” would be akin to someone dishonoring them memory of their fallen, isn’t what I could call damage control.

Agreed, this is not a new idea.

It doesn’t make coherent sense for a Thalassian to reunite with SIlvermoon and continue to call themselves High Elves anyway, irrspective of the Horde stance of them.

It is no secret that Silvermoon is currently under the occupation of Blood Elves, named so because of their honour to their fallen. This is not a principle of debate and there appears no in game “contention” of Lor’s current right to occupy SIlvermoon from the High Elves - therefore SIlvermoon is unambiguously Blood Elven (and we could infer by extension; Horde, but I will leave that inference out for now).

Let us consider a High Elf who wishes to return to Silvermoon permanently (not as a visiting pilgrim).
If this High Elf wishes to reunite with Silvermoon it most plausibly signals they have an agreement with the Blood Elven desire to reunite the Thalassian kingdom; so it’s logical to infer they also would acquiesce to calling themselves Blood Elves in this situation.
It’s possible they wish to unite with SIlvermoon, but do not wish to adopt the Blood Elven moniker because they may possibly disagree with either a) the previous mana-tapping practices of the blood elves or b) the Blood Elven allegeance to the Horde. This requires us to entertain the idea that the High Elf wishes to reunite with Silvermoon for unclear, illogical reasons as Silvermoon’s affiliation is not a secret and is not contended; so they’d be in the position of wishing to join a kingdom that they don’t actually support, which seems nonsensical. They would be placing themselves in a situation of discomfort for no particular benefit or reason- this is assuming the Blood Elves would open tolerate someone to take up residency permanently in their lands whom openly support enemies of their state (which is unlikely).

We must not mistake Lor’s tolerance of HE Pilgrims and desire to reunite with HEs in the past as overlooking their snub of the BE namesake. It is entirely plausible for him to extend them the respect of honouring their shared past without accepting them wishing to become citizens of Silvermoon whilst currently bearing the namesake of a group directly associated enemies of the state- irrespective of whether the Helf in question supports the Alliance or not.

It would be akin to someone being part of a terrorist group at some point in their lives, and then renouncing said group and seeking to join their previous population whilst maintaining they identify as a member of that terrorist group- justifying it on the principle that once upon a time all peoples used similar language to describe themselves. That is irrelevant, because the name carries emotive connotations with it in the current, which makes still bearing it when seeking citizenship either impossible (they will be prevented from accessing citizenship until they relinquish the label) or totally implausible (as to why someone would knowingly hold onto a name that they know invokves such clumsy associations with the group they’ve broken away from, when they claim to no longer hold those views).

So blue eyes on Horde Elves at current for me is unequivocally Blood Elves. It seems nonsense to call them anything else.

Until the lore shows us otherwise, similarly it seems that even fleshy-coloured blue-eyed thalassians on alliance would be identified as Void Elves given that appears to be their intended affiliation. We’ll have to wait and see on this one.

In this way “High Elf” becomes a dinosaur term that has technically correct uses but seems contextually inappropriate, because other terms communicate the same meaning plus additional significant nuance that the term High Elf lacks.

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Blood Elves dont believe in High Elf existance so its not like they hate them. They renamed their race~ for all we know Silver Covenant is made out of Blue Eye Blood Elves :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

"There you will see how the fall of the Sunwell began. And with it, the last act of the High Elves.”

Thats what Lady Liadrin said in Belf Heritage Quest. Do we even have any lore mentioning high elves as existing race? :joy:

Well, technically speaking there’s no “Blood Elf race” and “High Elf race”.
Both of them are Thalassian Elves.

Well, it doesn’t discount the alliance perceiving high elves to exist, or blood elves.

But it certainly clarifies that Belf do not consider themselves high elves, and adds ammunition to the argument that they would not consider thalassians who joined their cause with blue eyes as anything other than blood elves.

Can we drop thisssssssss

Theyre in the gaaaaaaame

Shhhhhhhhhhhh

Yes, in almost every expansion. Latest appearance was before the gates of Orgrimmar, shortly before the Saurfang VS Baine cgi video.

Void.elves can stay , and yes give highelves!

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Curious… Arnt the Void elves now your High elves as they have Blue eye options and fair skin options, is that not good enough?

I know I’ll be levelling one once they become available.

Precisely this, I don’t understand why are players angry and rude to each other, when it’s Blizz that effed this up from the start.

Level now while 100% xp active :slight_smile:
They might look like highelves if option for tentacles on hair to hide will available. Also haircuts…

But still not what alliance ever wanted