the only compromise i can accept is a dual racial choice velf/helf holy/shadow with an altar of sorts, same as the zandalari racials.
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Sub-race names & templates tied to the new customization options - #58 by Sindorea-defias-brotherhood here’s what someone come up with in the other thread, could have paladin available to high elf and not for void elf.
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its not confirmed atm its fan art. lets see if blizz will finally do justice for alliance
Danuser already said that wouldn’t happen though.
Just use your imagination guys.
That’s only going to work for something like a Wildhammer Dwarf or a Sand Troll, because they are the same race in every respect to already playable Dwarves and Trolls. Sure, the Trolls of different tribes may have different skin tones, but those tones are normal tones for Trolls.
Unless there is a toggle for entropic embrace, and unless the reverb is removed from the void elf emotes, and unless their emotes are entirely redone to remove continuous references to their void nature, then everything the game does is going to conspire to remind a void elf player that they are in fact playing a void elf.
Hard to use your imagination when entropic embrace is proccing every ninety seconds or so, your character cracks jokes about the old gods and being dark and everything said has a distinctive burr. Even the blood elf skin tones won’t fix that.
Then again, I don’t think Blizzard should update those other aspects. The skin tones are a concession, clearly, but it’s still a Void Elf. I don’t know if blizzard wants to allow void elf players to deny they are void elves. Seems counter-intuitive.
Just a random contribution to the topic: People are also asking for certain options for other races. Not so much “Helf-fanatics only”, huh?
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And I fell for the bait!
Forest Trolls, huh? You mean those big hulky trolls that could actually be a nice Cuban alternative to the regular Jamaican Troll?
The thing is though it kinda falls flat to call it “Troll fanaticism”, since we’re talking about what is essentially a different looking Troll. High Elves are just… Well… Regular Blood Elves, 'cept for them having blue eyes. Now if we were talking about High Elves actually having a different appearance and anatomy to a Blood Elf, people wouldn’t be rolling their eyes so hard at people wanting them.
Now if we were talking about people wanting Forest Trolls, but they looked absolutely identical to the regular Troll except only green skin colors, then you’d have a point.
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I think I need to correct you on this one, because Arthas wiped out 90% of Quel’thalas population. Not 90% of the High Elven population, as there were also High Elves outside the Kingdom of Quel’thalas the day Arthas sacked Quel’thalas. And I am pretty sure Arthas did not travel all over the EK to destroy every kingdom just to kill off as many High Elves as he could find.
And most of the survivors renamed themselves to the Sin’dorei, in honor of there fallen, not all of the survivors.
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Technically, that’s not true, but it was more or less retconned.
There’s a book in game, detailing the events of Arthas’ march through Quel’thalas.
It stated that when the Scourge swept through, not a single soul was left alive in the lands.
Queue, the Frozen Throne, kael’thas returns and rallies the last of his race to fight back for Quel’thalas, That means High Elves from Dalaran, Stormwind(retcon too but w/e) and Theramore among other places.
They renamed themselves Blood Elves in honor and remembrance of their fallen people - Queue another retcon WoW, suddenly there’s still Elves on Azeroth that did not heed the call of their prince, nor did they honor their fallen kin, nor did they put in any effort to salvage what they could out of the ruins of their civilization.
These…are your High Elves then…and That, doing nothing, is their ‘lore’.
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And they didn’t use Fel power
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They wont add a new race just for the lore. You expect to have 2 exactly the same body type races in the same faction? Just for the lore and just with a different eye color?
This book?
You know not every book in game is gonna detail every event that happens in the Warcraft Universe. Now, for best sources, you got to think outside of the game.
Such as the Warcraft Chronicles. The Warcraft Encylopedia (now hosted on WoWPedia website). The World of Warcraft Website (Though just quick information)
But a book in the game isn’t going to give the full detail of the lore to the events of Arthas sacking Quel’thalas.
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Well, it worked well for the playable Gilnean Humans/Worgens so far.
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Nah. They didn’t “do nothing”. They sat in Dalaran and Stormwind around their human masters all too content to feed on mana crystals and artifacts like docile pets all while chastising their kin in Quel’Thalas who fought and died for their ancestral lands for daring to consume critters for sustenance.
If a zombie apocalypse swept over earth and wiped out 90 % of the population and there was a subset of the survivors who refused to compromise their morals and hunt for meat to ensure the continued survival of the group you can be sure that they’d be laughed out of town and rightfully so.
The High Elves we see in WoW are the most repulsive and disgusting individuals to ever walk the face of Azeroth and their shameless hypocrisy would make the Old Gods blush.
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That book, yes. Here is what it entails ;
Sunwell - The Fall of Quel’Thalas
Though he had defeated all of the people he now saw as his enemies, [Arthas] was still haunted by the ghost of [Kel’Thuzad]. The ghost told Arthas that he needed to be revived for the next phase of the [Lich King]‘s plan. To revive him, Arthas needed to bring Kel’Thuzad’s remains to the mystical [Sunwell], hidden within the [high elves]’ eternal kingdom of [Quel’Thalas].
Arthas and his Scourge invaded Quel’Thalas and laid siege to the elves’ crumbling defenses. [Sylvanas Windrunner], the Ranger-General of [Silvermoon], put up a valiant fight, but Arthas eventually eradicated the high elf army and battled through to the Sunwell. In a cruel gesture of his dominance, he even raised Sylvanas’ defeated body as a [banshee], cursed to endless undeath in the service of Quel’Thalas’ conqueror.
Ultimately, Arthas submerged Kel’Thuzad’s remains within the holy waters of the Sunwell. Although the potent waters of Eternity were fouled by this act, Kel’Thuzad was reborn as a sorcerous [lich]. Resurrected as a far more powerful being, Kel’Thuzad explained the next phase of the Lich King’s plan.
By the time Arthas and his army of the dead turned southward, not one living elf remained in Quel’Thalas. The glorious homeland of the high elves, which had stood for more than nine thousand years, was no more.
Then TBC comes and suddenly there is plenty of them. Enough to fill 2 zones in EK and 1 in Outland, 3 dungeons and 2 raids. 
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They didn’t and I certainly don’t see the appeal of them over the Blood Elves.
I do hope that Blizzard will give love to the race if they really want to go through with all the pandering, seems only just.
Oh and for good measure and those people claiming 'the Blood Elves were an ‘Alliance core race’;
~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNNYHom-QZg
This is the Blood Elf campaign, the Original, it’s perfectly clear as to why the Blood Elves turned away from the Alliance. He did more than just being ‘a little bit rude’.
Seems perfectly legit for them to turn away.
Sure, retcons, I told you. If that surprises you, then you must’ve been really wowed by the amount of ‘High Elves’ that are suddenly still around and loyal to the Alliance.
Oh I also checked the Night Elf campaign cinematics, for old times’ sake.
In one of them Tyrande herself is holding back a number of undead and collapsing the bridge, getting swept away in the river’s water herself, Alone.
Later on when Malfurion and Illidan find her it’s suddenly ‘Tyrande and her warriors’…so let’s not get to picky with the numbers shall we.
Most of these books weren’t that accurate even at the time they were put in the game, and I even think it has been purposefully done that way, since it would make sense that books that can be encountered in a library inside the game would be written by some character inside the lore’s perspective.
It’s not like… Writing the lore per se, with author’s view on the creation, it’s more like writing history by the perspective of someone, in this case, a character, with the author’s holistic perspective as arbiter of what the character would have or would haven’t known.
I mean, Sunstrider Isle is where we know most of the survivors fleed, others fleed into the forests, and others, well, who knows. These places are still Quel’thalas.
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Perhaps that is true, I admit I could not find a solid source on where the other Elves came from, except that Kael’thas and some of them came from outside of Quel’thalas and weren’t there when the Scourge invasion began.
We do know he called out to his people to come to him and help reclaim their homeland and salvage what they could of their race.
That coupled with the last paragraph of That book seemed to mash well together in the thought.
That and I find it very hard to believe anyone of a certain group or race would just sit by and do nothing as others fought the hard battles, not in a universe like WoW, but then there’s Always cowards around, I suppose… just not very flattering of a depiction…
Oh and the part where the other Elves could just ‘meditate it off’- Completely trivialising the ordeals that Kael’thas and the Blood Elves had to go through….just seems more like an after thought, and a clear retcon to the Original story, to me.
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I mean, I live in a country where there are schisms inside of it, and lots of people would be very willing to simply separate and abandon the rest of the country they currently belong to almost regardless of circumstance. And this happens in some other countries too.
In Warcraft, I see the Thalassian schism as more simple than that, since some simply didn’t liked the path their people took and preferred to stay with their long old allies, that, if it’s not accurate to say these were the ‘Alliance’, since long back what we know as the Alliance was not a thing or was a different thing, their members were the same: Humans, Dwarves, etc…
So now we have Thalassians that want Quel’thalas to turn Alliance and abandon the Horde and whatever way they didn’t liked, and others who embraced their new future, ways and allies.
Are they traitors? Yeah, why not, it’s on the eye of the beholder, but being a traitor is not something against becoming playable.
And, on the matter at hand, it’s easy to deduct that most of those who abandoned their now named Sin’dorei brothers would have been living outside Quel’thalas already since long ago. Some would have come from exile directly from Quel’thalas, willingly or not, but that doesn’t mean every one of those who call themselves High elves have been there.
And, in the other side of it, I can totally see some of those who call themselves Blood elves today not being at Silvermoon when the Scourge destroyed everything. An example: Dalaran always had Thalassian population, and Kael’thas was there during the invasion.
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