no they belong to alliance. All elves belongs here, or third faction - elves
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High elves belong in the alliance Blood elves belong in the horde sorry to burst ya bubble.
Why is this thread still going?
Alliance and Horde both get High Elves in Shadowlands.
Alliance are halve done There are no high elves with tentacles or purple hair
Some people think so!
I like my fantasy settings to be a bit more gritty. Not full on Game of Thrones “Everyone dies!” But a bit more nuanced, for every Goody Two Shoes Anduin, there should be a Garithos, for every Lor’themar Theron a Dark’han Drathir, that kind of thing.
Dangerous logic.
I mean there -were- High Elf Paladins knocking around before TBC, Mehlar Dawnblade was a personal student under Uther, despite now being a Blood Knight, but the Paladin Class is not an iconic feature of High Elves, which some people are insisting they were. They really were not. They existed, sure, High Elf Warlocks also exist, that doesn’t mean they’re iconic.
As for Monks, I gave up trying to make sense of that a long time ago, but then, Humans had Monks back in the Scarlet Monastery days, so who knows?
I was more using those terms to distance what High Elves are, from what people seem to think they are. High Elves were not great people (and Blood Elves definitely echo that!) Were they Cruel? Farstriders certainly have no problem with torture, we see that with Zul’jin. I think the cutscene actually shows a high elf smiling as they move in with a knife. Were they Mercurial? Absolutely Their whole history with humans has been like a cat, sometimes it wants fuss, sometimes it will scratch your hand if you try to fuss it, are they selfish? Well…I think we all know that one. Yes they are. I mean it might as well say in an Azeroth Dictonary under the word “Selfish” “Also known as a resident of Quel’thalas”. High and Blood Elves always do what is best for them.
Are they monsters? Hmmmn, trickier. Arguably the Blood Elves are, because they are essentially vampires. They can suck your mana out of you. I mean these days they don’t -have- to, and it isn’t a psychological or
physical compunction, but they -can-.
Equally though to touch on the points you make about Horde values,
You can apply all of those towards Blood Elf Society. They do honourable things (So long as you do not abuse their trust like Garrosh did), their whole name is founded on the idea of respecting their dead, and as for survivalist, well, the survivors are 9% of the original population, I think they tick that box.
I was more trying to shake people’s idea that all High Elves somehow belonged in the Alliance, when they really don’t. They are not Legolas, Elrond and Galadriel, this is not Middle Earth, and sometimes Elves aren’t -nice-.
I think that is really likely as well, and I think High Elf fans should hold fire until they see what goes live, because I strongly imagine they will get other hair colours and hairstyles. They shouldn’t get -everything- Blood Elves get, but I definitely think hairstyles and hair colours are reasonable requests, aye.
You Wot?
I’d kill to have the muscle structure of the male Blood Elf model. Well, not actually kill. I don’t have some weird effigy or painting in the attic that needs feeding with human blood, but They look ripped as heck. Thats an Olympic Athlete’s physique. I mean I have the slender and wiry thing going on, but not the pecs and abs!
Only in Tolkien novels…Azeroth’s Elves are a bit different…
sighs No Bubble bursting needed. 1% of the original population of Quel’thalas now call themselves High Elves and are Alliance. 9% of the original population of Quel’thalas are High Elves who now call themselves Blood Elves and are Horde.
The other 90% don’t call themselves anything anymore, as they are pretty much dead.
Sure, they were not iconic. That doesn’t mean that the concept of playable High Elf Paladins is irrational.
So you agree that the real high elves are alliance. Because the blood elves don’t like to be called high elves? So yea high elves are alliance.
I agree they won’t get anything the blood elves have but something on the line of.
Normal high elven hairstyles and hair colors (Make them new or Mix human and blood elf hairstyles. For the colors lighter colors than blood elves have.
Ear length.
Maybe make the Void cloak optional.
Optional options for both races
Feathery jewelry.
Tattoos Blue alliance and Red horde.
But yeaa that’s why I made this Thread High elves and blood elf Customization's
Allerian stronghold had cool high elf npcs
True but atm this is the best what we can get sadly
No, as I say, they did -exist- but the demand as if they were somehow a High Elven theme, -is- irrational.
No, that is incorrect. The Entire race was renamed as Blood Elves prior to the Exile, so Vereesa and the Silver Covenant were Blood Elves. They then -renamed- themselves High Elves.
The actual dominant strain of the species are called Blood Elves still.
Ironically as a Dev stated, they do in lore have fel-green eyes because of their time in Outlands and are physically indistinguishable from Blood Elves, hence the quest text one of them makes “No, I may -look- like a Blood Elf, but I am not going to suck the mana out of you”
Lorewise they look identical to Blood Elves. Just sayin’
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Mechagnomes found to be removing the bodies of near-dead horde troops to remake them as mechanised meatshields when? Or better still, imprisoning their living bodies to be used as biofuel within huge mechanical structures kinda like a prison-meets-dragoon from starcraft.
People complain we’re borg-lite, go full hog I say. Mechagnomes removing the threat of the horde by turning them into all into an army of semi-mechanical drones which can then be used to repair all of the damage from the wars. It beats letting them bleed out on the battlefield, you could say it’d be a form of humanitarian service. We just haven’t worked out how to keep their free will intact promise.
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I am trying to make both sides happy here.
King Mekkatorque and Prince Erazmin get a free pass as they are good lads. But thats probably because Gnomes are basically -decent- people.
Yeah they’re good boys. I really wouldn’t mind blizz showing the teeth of gnomes more. They are supposed to be quite good at inventing efficient ways to blow stuff up and kill people, couple that with their intellectual brilliance as a tendency to see themselves as “seeing the big picture” and I wouldn’t mind a couple of gnomish villain characters here and there.
I think the Mechagnomes have potential for some greyness. I know Erazmin has struck the whole “balance is key” but I think there’s potential for iffy stuff with them, using horde soliders as test subjects for potential further mechanisations they intend for themselves for example with them not really seeing the problem due to their difficulties with the whole empathy thing. Makes for a nice political mess within and without the alliance.
In fact I think all of the alliance ARs have potential to bring needed edge and grit into the alliance but I imagine they’ll all just sing and hold hands which is a shame.
People want High Elf Paladins because they like High Elf Paladins. Period.
You trying to make their request sound something preposterous simply because some people, rightfully or not, believe the class is iconic to the race comes across as trolling.
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Gnomes have the most chilling and dark backstory, that make both Lordaeron and Quel’thalas look like amusement parks…
I mean picture, you’re a GCO Operative, you’re down in the Deep Black, the lower levels of Gnomeregan, just as a mining party went missing, and suddenly creatures five times your body mass, nightmares from a whole other plane of existence, of fangs and talons start tearing into your squadmates. You lay down suppressing fire, in the hope that someone, somewhere has a plan, as you back up, and other panicked soldiers join you, this isn’t an isolated breakout of monsters, this is suddenly an invasion.
As you back up through the higher levels, all the while living with the screams and cries of your comrades who are grabbed by these creatures, word finally comes. There is a Plan! There is a Wonder Weapon that will kill the Troggs!
It gets released, there is a hiss from the air ducts as the gas is disseminated throughout the City, surely this will buy your armed forces some respite?
Then the screaming starts.
The Gas isn’t killing the Troggs, its doing nothing to them…instead Gnomes are clutching at their throats and getting up looking pale, sick, glistening, they turn eyes on you that has nothing to do with previous friendship and start opening fire on you, as their skin takes on a necrotic green hue. You now have to flee backwards, laying down fire at the monsters from the Deep Dark and your previous Squadmates, who are now hissing and spitting creatures of spite and horror, but with the skill to use guns. Even as you back up, the horrible realisation hits you…The Gas…
The Gas would have been released from the -top- levels and filtrated down. All of this horror, it is all of Gnomeregan now, your friends, families, lovers, all have been exposed. Even as you fight, fewer and fewer of you surviving you hear the dull thuds from above, and know that the horror is complete…
All above is screaming and madness, all in front of you is screaming and madness, and crazy people don’t perform maintenance checks on generators. One by one the generators fail, and radiation is added to the litany of horror.
Because the generators fail, the lights fail, and everything is reduced to flashing red lights of failsafe warnings, gunsights and the horrible hissing and clawing and screaming, and whatever your goggles are showing you. The things from the Deep Dark aren’t slowing, and the Crazies aren’t slowing, and your Radiation Dosimeter is going off the scale as you try to fight your way, sector by sector to the surface, You know at some point you will have to pass the Sector where your family or spouse lives, are they going to be a Crazy too?
So you fight, exhausted, battered, and bruised, bloodied and tormented beyond the level that any reasonable person could endure.
Then some idiot goes “Heh heh, a Gnome, Gonna Punt it”
Comedy race my backside, they’re the darkest race in terms o background in the whole setting…
yet I don’t hear the cries for High Elf Warlocks, even though we -know- they exist?
Double standards much?
I have already -stated- that we know they exist. I have also correctly stated that they are not Iconic to the High Elf fantasy trope.
Which is because they are not.
The Iconic High Elf Classes are Rangers and Mages. Not Paladins.
So the rationale here is that people like a class that is not usually associated with a race, simply because they like a class and race not normally associated, Is that a fair summation?
Oh trust me, I don’t have to try, to make it sound preposterous.
Ahh, That old chestnut… “You disagree therefore you are trolling”
Try harder.
High Elves never had a massively engaged policy with the idea of Paladins in the first place. They had a handful, and I’m the damned one who told you about them.
What I -object- to is this entirely unreasonable idea that an Allied race should have a class added to it, simply because people stamp their feet and say “I Want! I Want!” Give me reasons, give me valid reasons why you think that request is reasonable.
Because right now, I’m not sure whether you even want -High Elves-. Because it is starting to sound like what you actually want is -Blood Elves- but playable on Alliance.
And that, you should never ever have.
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I’m just glad Blizzard decided to just give void elves the option of normal skin tones as well as blue eyes so we don’t have to make a High Elf allied race. We already have that race on the Horde side as Blood Elves; do we really need not one, but TWO allied races on the Alliance side? If they added high elves then the void elves would be pointless even when given the extra skin color.
Don’t get me wrong, elves have always been my favorite in… well, almost every fantasy setting. I am always happy to see when Blizzard adds more elven stuff once in a while to make up for all the Human / Orc stuff. But at some point you have to accept that Enough is Enough! Elves are great but we should’ve overbloat the game - especially when we have 4 playable Elf types now!
That being said: It does feel good to have blue eyes available for Blood Elves now. And hey, unlike the Void Elves - at least we’ve got our own zones and capital city!
As much I want High elves as a allied race we mostly ask for Customization’s for void elves that’s why I made this. High elves and blood elf Customization's
How is wanting High Elf Paladins, but not wanting or not caring about High Elf Warlocks “double standards” exactly?
You’re doing something very nasty here. You’re accusing a whole community of players of being puerile and hypocritical simply because they’re doing exactly what Blizzard has asked them to do, which is asking for stuff they want to see implemented in the game.
The reasons behind their desires is none of your business.
If you just dropped this haughty attitude of yours, this EU thread would be so much more welcoming.
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