Wow…Just Wow…I mean I always knew you were biased, but you…you actually seriously don’t want any dialogue or discussion, and you again have this delusion that anyone who ever disagrees with you has a Blood Elf main?
That is some special, special arguing.
Just to remind you, the Alliance doesn’t exist in real life. There is no ‘Us Alliance People’. No matter how much you protest the idea, you can swap factions in seconds in this game, and most people who do have a healthy attitude towards the game, do so. I mean who just plays one faction alone these days?
These are all valid arguments (the sort of arguments I prefer). The numbers thing was always a shaky argument for people who were anti-helf, and then with the arrival of Void Elves it is just blown out of the water. The circumstances under which they became Void Elves, and the words used to describe their numbers are -very- small. They are described as a Squad. You don’t use that word to mean a large number of people. A Squad. That is a very small number of people indeed. Do you know what the definition of a Squad is, in the terminology of the Military (which is where we get the word -from-) Depending upon which nation you’re in, a Squad (or Section) is 5-12 people. Its smaller than a -Platoon-. Lore wise there are a miniscule amount of Void Elves in existence. I don’t think they thought it through when they used the word “Squad” but I would certainly say because of the unique circumstances in which they were created, there are almost certainly less than a hundred Void Elves in existence…
There are definitely more than 100 High Elves in existence, as otherwise if there were say, 100 High Elves left alive, that means 900 Blood Elves, that means 1,000 total survivors of the Scourge invasion, which means the original population of Quel’thalas would have been 10,000.
Despite the fact that this is a laughably low figure and makes no sense, we also simply know it is factually not true. Just one Portion of Kael’thas Sunfury troops broke away and rebelled and became the Scryers, and in lore they are described as numbering in their thousands. That was just one small chunk of his army, which in turn was only 15% of the Blood Elves.
So yeah, there are actually quite a lot of Blood Elves left, so by extension there are certainly plenty enough High Elves left around to be a playable race.
The concern I can see there, is just that problem. It will cause resentment. But resentment among ‘hardcore’ Alliance fans, who will start screaming about Horde Bias, if Horde get anything other than a reskin. Think me wrong? I have two words to say “Mechagnome/Vulpera”
I mean -technically- they are both Reskins! MG use the, uhh, duh, Gnome model, and Vulpera use the Goblin one, but the outrage was real, despite the fact that Mechagnomes are actually the more unique idea (and their racials are Brutal as hell!). But the shrieks about Horde Bias were unreal…They still are…I hear them, ringing in my ears, proving a dreadful cacophony that prevents sleep of a night! 
I mean lets look at a parallel situation OK, Forget about red eyed Elves. Who wants red eyed Elves on Horde side, forget about San’layn, they are not in the Horde.
And I can’t believe I’m going to say this, as I personally don’t want them but I know many -do- want them: There is a race, that like High Elves to the Alliance, have always had a presence in the Horde, since the RTS games, and we know still -do- have a presence in the Horde, even their own townships.
I mean of course Ogres.
Now the best way I can see, for them to make Ogres possible is a pretty simple one. You use the Kul Tiran model as the skeleton for it. but obviously it would need jazzing up to look different, but thats simple, they just did that with Vulpera.
Now imagine this. They give High Elves to Alliance as an Allied Race, and they give Ogres to Horde as an Allied race. Both make perfect lore sense, both are easily possible, and both would be using the model skeleton of a race from the other Faction.
Can you imagine these forums if that happened? They would be on -Fire-, and I know certain notorious posters who have appeared in this thread would be fanning the flames of said fire with screams of “Horde Bias!”…
(Meanwhile I’d be sat on a chair sipping a cup of tea bitterly going “Ogres, why ogres, for heavens sake, what an awful idea, we should have got Gnolls” )
I think it would be a bitter pill for many Alliance fans to swallow, if High Elves were a reskin of a reskin of a Horde Race, basically. Oddly I think the discontent would come from Team Blue players, not Team Red.
Most people who wanted to play High Elves already jumped ship when Void Elves were made, so its not really going to entice Blood Elf fans or Horde fans…
I think its -possible- to do it, I just think they’d(Blizz) have to be very careful about how they do it.
What a ridiculous idea… So what happens when the pendulum of population numbers swings back in favour of the Alliance? Does that Velf or Helf option suddenly get deleted from the game? I mean that is applying the logic you use there.
I mean to continue that logic, if the Velf/Helf option remained even when the population numbers swing back in favour that means Horde would then need -two- such duality options, to balance out the Alliance ones…
How on earth do you possibly see that being implemented in a way that works?
Yes but, what if I like Druids? We know that there is Botanist Freywin who is a Blood Elf Druid, and several Blood Elves in Eversong who are doing Druidy stuff, does that mean Druid is now an iconic Blood Elf class?
(I don’t actually want Blood Elf Druids, if I want my shapeshifters I play a race that has them as a class)
Blood Elf Druids are about as common as High Elf Paladins, after all…
Sometimes I wish I’d never mentioned Mehlar bloody Dawnblade…
He was indeed, he later became very bitter towards his former mentor, due to what he saw as The Light failing those who believed in it. (similar to Liadrin I suppose), he used to give Horde characters a quest to go and defile Uther’s Tomb out of spite. That quest is long gone, and when we see him now (Paladin hall in Legion) he seems to (also like Liadrin) have come to terms with the tragedy of what happened to his people, and reconciled himself with his Faith.
He is however a Blood Elf and Blood Knight.
You are correct in the core of the issue, that he is an example that it is clearly possible for High Elves to have learned the ways of a Paladin -before- the Scourge invasion and creation of the Blood Knights.
Interestingly it is also possible for Blood Elves to become Paladins as opposed to Blood Knight (I know they’re more or less the same thing these days). Tarenar Sunstrike is a good example. From some of his text we know he used to hide from Undead in Ghostlands as a child, so we can pretty much ascribe an age to him, it wasn’t even called ‘Ghostlands’ before the Scourge invasion and there were no Undead there. It was the Black Woods, He is, like his buddy Gidwin Goldbraids trying to become a Paladin. Not a Blood Knight.
They also have a Warlock trainer. Which does make sense, there is no reason to imagine that High Elves only started to train Warlocks when they became Blood Elves, after all, the other Alliance races used them also.
I think the hair requests are sensible, and make lore sense. We don’t know yet, Blizzard may implement them, after all, they have not shown other Allied Race customisations yet, so perhaps the Void elf changes are a ‘work in progress’.
Incorrect. The Alliance got the Blood Elf model. Prior to the creation of that model for Blood Elves the Alliance High Elves actually had a Kaldorei model. Like it or not, the model was made for Blood Elves as a playable race, anyone who played Vanilla can tell you that.
They are exactly the same biological species. There is no difference. To argue otherwise is to try and state that Huojin and Tushui Pandaren are different races.
It is a -political- difference, not a physical one.
