Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race (Part 1)

They are asking for red eyes and such and that is fine so let us ask for what we want :3

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Ok :slightly_smiling_face:

I’m just saying we need to take baby steps. If we ask for too much, blizzard will probably cancel the whole idea. Let’s focus on hair now… and maybe later once they actually give the hair, we can ask for more

True, I just don’t think it’s the longest of longshots to introduce classes. Gnome hunters had a lot of support for years, and they finally got introduced in Legion! So in an xpac that’s focusing on these new appearance options, new class options aren’t a complete fantasy.

But that being said, I’d much prefer more cosmetic changes (such as natural hair being confirmed), and possibly no entropic embrace / even new voice acting, though that is more of a fantasy.

Like I said I made a thread with some Ideas for blood elf and Void elves High elves and blood elf Customization's
This is a good idea in my opinuion so everyone can be happy.

And we need to keep that thread alive so many people will see it :3

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Or you can simply except that the largest part of the playerbase is fine with new CUSTOMIZATION-OPTIONS, so they can look like a specific troll-tribe/dwarven clan.
And please if you quote try to quote the relevant part regarding VE’s:

That’s right but they aren’t force to implement another neutral race. :wink:

As I said for sure they could’ve done this except for the reason that it doesn’t make any sense, which is why VE’s have been created.
You know void-magic accident making VE’s different from BE and giving them unique racials. :wink:

Maybe try to finally accept a compromise, which isn’t that flawed anymore with the upcoming customization changes.

How is moving blood elf copies to the alliances healthy for faction balance though?

A high elf allied faction doesn’t add anything new. If you can’t create your own backstory for your character. Then why even play a RPG tbh.

that topic is misleading, because its void elf customization + blood elves, highelves are not playable yet.

no, it is not fine. Can you accept this and move on?

alliance never asked for blood elves or their copies. Horde got alliance highelf copies. And alliance ask - highelves playable within alliance.

High Elf Paladins is plausible for a race strictly billed as high elves. Yes they were rare, yes they weren’t the mainstay of helf culture but they existed and there’s nothing to say more couldn’t.

The issue is this only works if helf are distinct. It doesn’t work if you’re introducing helf “through the back door” via velf customisations, because fundementally the race is velf as far as the game is concerned, which means if you could them Paladins, OG blue velf can be paladins, which is nonsense.
A possible way forward is to make it so the class is restricted to skin tones picked. I see this as a negative because then you’re making the “race within the race” technically have more options than the core race of Velf proper, which means the original Velf premise is being eroded in favour of something that is meant to be represented through Velf.

I am okay for Helf to exist but not at the cost of eroding Velf, or using Velf as a bridge they consume and trample to accomplish this. The distinctive void narrative of Velf is interesting. We have no other examples of benevolent or non evil void use in Azeroth. I don’t want that to take a second seat to a host of customisations that were thrown as a bone, and then have these customisations covertly change the race into Helf and velf now become the interpreted angle. It abandons a unique narrative In favour of one that barely stands out from belf without some very heavy handed manipulation to make it so.

I don’t care if Helf were more popular. Velf were added when they weren’t, some people like what Velf add. It’s not about hating Helf, it’s about not wanting something they enjoy being replaced with something else because others don’t like it.

I am fine for it to be possible to make the character look as helfy as possible. Skin, hair, eyes, even disabling the racial graphics if you want. What I am not fine with is having the races story in game advanced as if they are not void elves, and the game beginning to treat them as high elves some of whom are void sub sets. This is not what I signed up for when picking the race.

Blizz made it clear that regarding wildhammer, it’s up to the player to sustain the idea they are a wildhammer via how they look, and blizz supply the tools to do so, but mechanically the game will not change to entertain that. Their racials remain the same, the game doesn’t give special nods to the player where they’ve picked wildhammer options and they can’t pick or not pick classes that would be odd for a wildhammer mechanically because on a game-level they are the same dwarves they’ve always been.

The same seems to apply for “sand trolls” and should apply for Helf. You can look exactly like one, but asking for stuff to be added to support the suboption that doesn’t work with the base race is unrealistic. This shows up more for Helf and velf because they’re quite fundementally different due to Velfs void powers. I still stand by that however. Allow them total appearence with Helf including racial graphic disable, but no paladin. It is not a huge deal that helf cannot be paladins, but it is a huge deal if velf can suddenly be paladins, or the allied race core starts to play second fiddle to some of their customisation options that run contrary to their racial theme.

Support Helf as option: Yes
At cost of anything integral to Velf: No.
As separate allied race: with the velf options, this is so unlikely so as to be considered impossible. You can’t have an entire AR slot used just so a race you can already look like can play as paladins.

The “Alliance high elves” weren’t part of the alliance anymore after the Garithos incident. The blood elves ARE the original high elves.
They have now settled in with the horde, making them an allied race under the name “high elves” doesn’t add anything. It’s just copy pasting a horde race.

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False. There are blood elves, and there are highelves.

Highelves what we asking as allied race are in the alliance. We have plenty of them. One of the major group - silvercovenant.

if it doesnt add anything for YOU, that’s ok. But there are a lot of people been asking them playable for 15 years.

#highelvesasalliedrace

They’re the same…

no they are not. Get over it

sigh…

WHERE?

Originally Posted by Ion Hazzikostas

Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near term to add High Elves as an allied race.

Please answer this question:
Does Ion state that High elves are Blood elves?

The adding as allied race part of my posts are my opinion. But that High elves are Blood elves is stated by Ion.
And, sure they can change that in the future aswell. But that’s not the current situation.

Aside from all this, I would like to know what everyone thinks having a High elf race actually adds? All I’m hearing is lore reason.
Which you can create in your own head canon. It’s an rpg afterall

No he did not.
Yet his statement about majestic elves are irrelevant since void elves made their way to alliance.

They are already in-game for alliance. With such huge community demand they alone are enough reason to have them playable.

And let’s be honest here Ion is not the greatest when it comes to lore…

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I agree like him saying high elves are blood elves when i clearly do recall wikipidia saying the high elves renamed themselves to be blood elves except from the few 10% who chose to remain with the alliance.

Bloodelf are former Highelf But High elf are not blood elfs.

Outland, neutral and alliance high elfs still call themselves high elfs. Same race, but no longer citizens of silvermoon.