If you ask me, it goes beyond that.
These people want to go back to the days of Classic WoW, where the Alliance was the dominant faction in almost, every regard because they had the pretty Humans and pretty Elves and the Horde population was extremely small.
It’s a case of:
“The Horde faction should always have less players than my Alliance faction.” That’s also a mentality.
You are living on a big throne of lies.
I don’t care about faction balance much, as long as i can play races that i love, highelves would be one of them.
To be honest I doubt most of the Helfers were even born when Classic was out.
I think that has become rather apparent.
Its still not a healthy attitude “We must have X, and ehh, the Horde can have Y” “But we don’t want Y?” “Thats irrelevant, this is about us having X!” At least go down Syleenias route and actually come up with ideas, because lets face it, they are not going to give Alliance High Elves and give Horde nothing, and whatever they give Horde is going to annoy those Alliance players who don’t care about getting High Elves. Thats my concern.
We don’t want Pirates. I mean why would Pirates even join the Horde, they wouldn’t -be- Pirates anymore, they’d be the Horde Navy, or at the loosest sense Privateers. If they don’t want to belong to a fairly libertarian Alliance (which as pirates they clearly don’t) then why would they join an organisation with an even -more- draconian approach to law?
I hate them with a passion, but Ogres are the direct comparison with High Elves. Both have been in their respective factions for a long while, both are established members of said factions, both have been requested since the start of the game.
I hate it, but the Horde option if Alliance get High Elves, would have to be Ogres. (I mean, assuming they went with a direct comparison)
I hate Ogres, because as an RP’er the idea of playing a character so -thick- that they refer to themselves in the third person is just not appealing, but a lot of other people do like them.
Ehhh, They are though. The Race of Thalassian Elves (Or Species, to use the correct term) are Horde. Some of them are Exiles who are Alliance. They would be a copy of a Horde race. I mean they literally would be a Copy of the Blood Elf model, Thats what the word ‘Copy’ means, to replicate something already existing.
And thats cool, I have no problem with Alliance getting High Elves, but lets not dress this up as something it isn’t.
Nah its not. That isn’t even what the drastically over-used term “Mental Gymnastics” means. We know you don’t like Blood Elves, so you can shush on that front, and for the record I also loathe Sylvanas, but you are factually incorrect.
The Elven nation of Quel’thalas, the High Elves, were independent and neutral, until the formation of the Alliance of Lordaeron during the second War, during which they were invited to join the Alliance, and did so, along with the Dwarves of Khaz Modan and the Gnomes (Although they had their own problems going on, so could not contribute massively). At the end of the Second War, King Anasterian objected to King Terenas of Lordaeron’s idea to put Orcs in Camps, and especially the idea that along with everyone else, Terenas wanted to levy taxes from the other Alliance nations to pay for it. King Anasterian was joined in this attitude by the human kingdoms of Arathor and Gilneas, and all three formally seceded from the Alliance of Lordaeron. All three were therefore neutral nations that were not part of the Alliance.
Arthas ‘happened’ The Kingdom of Quel’thalas renamed themselves Blood Elves. Some Volunteers amongst the Blood Elves, mainly those who had dwelt alongside humans in Dalaran, led by their Crown Prince Kael’thas Sunstrider, allied -with- the Alliance.
Note the key words. Allied -with-, not ‘joined’. Basically the same as the current situation with the Zandalari and the Horde. The Zandalari under Queen Talanji are allied with the Horde, they have not sworn fealty to it. Yet, but will follow its path.
Obviously Garithos did a Garithos, and these Volunteers went “Nope, done with your stuff” and then TBC happened. Rommath was sent back and said “Guys, I’ve got these things that will keep the buildings floating, and hey, who knew, we can drain Mana from living things, not just objects!” Ten percent of the Blood Elves wen “What, thats disgusting!” Lor’themar went “Right, if you don’t want to do it, fine, but no messing about, Get oot!”
That ten percent renamed themselves as the original name of High Elves and some of them joined the newly formed Grand Alliance.
Thats more what actually happened.
Again, this is why you should not be taken seriously. If you don’t care what people have to say, then you don’t want a discussion, if you don’t want a discussion, you should not have started a thread on a public forum.
I have yet to see you make a constructive post as to how High Elves would work. Do you even actually want them?
Thats a fair point, I’d rather we got Gnolls, but Hozen do have an existing tie to the Horde.
Thats the problem.
Where is the line drawn? Because some of these fans don’t seem to agree where the line is, and some have indeed demanded that the Blood Elves be removed from the Horde.
All that does is make it very difficult to take the legitimate and sensible requests seriously, because they are shackled to mad claims that the Void/High Elves should have Silvermoon just because the Void whispered to Alleria that she has a right to the throne (She doesn’t), because as we all know the Void is totally reliable and never lies…
Then you are part of the reason why High Elves as a separate race are unlikely. I mean you have repeatedly stated you’re not even interested in High Elves, you just want Silver Covenant Elves.
I mean why? Why would you limit yourself like that? Thats like someone going “I want Blood Elves, but to heck with all the rest of it, I just want Sunreavers!”
Makes no sense to me.
Some times it does seem that way…Ironically I just realised that WoW as a game and myself almost to the day share a birthday, just I’m three times older than it!
What vexes me about this thread is that people aren’t being creative and constructive, but are just banging on with “Give us High Elves”.
“OK, lets talk about that, how do you see them working in game?”
“I Don’t care about any of that! Give us High Elves!”
“Ok, but what about their racia-”
“I Don’t care, Give me, Give me, I Want!”
People need to be more constructive if they want the idea to be taken seriously…
Let’s be honest some people who are against the high elves have a Terrible attitude because people made a lot of art to show blizz how the high elves can look and those people say things like Ion said no while he did not and they demand San’layn or Dark rangers for the horde.
this ‘attitude’ is the culmination of over a years worth of complaining and crying about not having an alliance flavoured copy of an already existing race
you get given thalassian elves AND the customisation options to make the ‘high elves’ and none of you are happy.
its like a teenager throwing a tantrum because they didn’t get the right colour car for Christmas.
still got a car!!
suck it up, you got the compromise - just be happy about it for once in your damn lives
And blizzard keeps putting high elves in the alliance. So there is nothing wrong asking for a race that people want to play.
there is nothing wrong with asking.
bleating on about it and whinging incessantly for YEARS is a completely different story
because of your own actions most others now resent you and your ideas and would rather they just kill off the silver covenant and all remaining alliance aligned thalassians
Making art what blizzard can use is not what I call ‘‘whinging’’ It is giving blizzard ideas how they can make them different from the blood elves
And if we if the high elf fans are ‘‘whinging’’ then the Horde fans are being way worse asking for San’layn or dark rangers because they want it but the alliance does not deserve high elves yep fair Right?..
where are the multiple month long reiterations of the san’llayn demand threads?
oh that’s right, there aren’t any
making art is not a qualifier for legitimacy - its called fanart for a reason,
its just fans making art work - it means absolutely nothing
and just to make this point for the thousandth time;
they are NOT different to Blood Elves
Dude you can clearly see that the high elf fans love this race with a passion, So to make clear I really don’t mind customization for void elves. But if I got to choose I want a new race.
Pandas are not so different either but both factions have them so I don’t see the problem.
Actually the most common advocates of san’layn and dark rangers are alliance players when offering horde a race as compromise.
It’s almost as if they can’t comprehend people wanting anything but elves. “I’d think this is cool, so surely you would too!”.
The most commonly asked for races on Horde are Ogres and Forest Trolls bar none. Only a select minority of players want an allied race slot to be wasted on slightly paler blood elves with red eyes. The same minority of players who want an allied race slot wasted on a race that can look exactly how void elves will be able to look, but has a different racial nametag.
I saw many horde players asking for it and I don’t call it a alliance slot wasted when many people are asking for them.
I see about 5 people spewing the same vitriol over and over till everyone ELSE is blue in the face
the pandaren are an admittedly failed neutral race idea
but you aren’t asking for Blood Elves to be neutral, you’re asking for a carbon copy of the model twisted with new stuff that simply has no reason behind it other than to make it fit your wishes of getting what you want
and again; you have long since stopped being classed as ‘asking’, you’re demanding and throwing a massive sustained hissy fit over the fact its not -justifiably- happening
1 don’t read it then.
2 I love blood elf high elves to be neutral they can get a cool starting quest like the pandas or the DH.
3 Ah sure dude you know I am asking for High elves and blood elf Customization's so yeaa that is false.
That’s not a compromise. These people have no idea what a compromise is. The Velfs were a compromise. Even their pasty skins, was kind of pushing it, but ok.
And what makes these people think they can offer a compromise? Who do they think they are? We don’t want to see belfs cloned. End of story. If they don’t like that they can keep complaining, it’s their right just as it is for those who do not want belfs cloned to protest.
We need another failed neutral race idea concerning Thalassian Elves. Since that what will make us happy and maybe you in someway.
It can work tbh give them a cool Starting qeustline and at the end you can go belf horde helf alliance.
the theme behind my replies is this;
get over yourself and be happy with the compromises(PLURAL) you have been given
what number thread is this now?
how long have you handful of people been bleating about the same crap over and over despite being essentially given what you want
you just want BLood elves with a ‘high elf’ tag on it,
so no; does not justify a new allied race in any way