Speaking of insults…let’s get down to brass tacks. You are the individual displaying a massive sense of entitlement in demanding that the game and its lore conform to your headcanon and not accepting no for an answer and being insulting to everyone who disagrees. That is childish behaviour.
The history of Azeroth is quite clear on all these matters and am quite familiar with it. I have simply drawn a very different conclusion because I didn’t start with an end premise; that end premise in your case being 'Alliance High Elves are an important part of the Alliance and should be playable".
You know, retorting ‘Grow up’ to me after I said those words to you when I called you out on your childish attitude doesn’t really do anything to refute that you are behaving childishly. Quite the opposite in fact…
Your posts are angry, embittered and spiteful for the most part. I moderate on another forum on a completely unrelated, non-gaming subject and were you a poster there, behaving in this manner, you’d be out the door for several days at a time to see if that improved your behaviour.
Just because you get away with it on these forums doesn’t excuse you from acting like a child because other folks posting disagree with you.
As for the complaint you had about my last response, lost as it is in you trying to jam as many instances of ‘grow up’ into your reply as possible (and twice in a three sentence reply is overkill by the way), it is factually accurate to say that the Alliance High Elves are a tiny group. As much a distinct race as a bunch of Kul Tiran pirates are who have set up shop in a cove somewhere.
Mate, I wouldn’t bother. These individuals cannot be persuaded or communicated with, regardless of what you say, because they will remain steadfast in their beliefs and belittle anyone who dares speak out against them. I’d mute the threads and let them exist in their own Echo chambers, because they’re not worth the time or energy.
So still going with the ‘no! you!’ school of insults? The point regarding moderation is to hold up a mirror to your behaviour and emphasise you are not behaving as an adult, that other places with higher standards would call you out on that behaviour, and that because they are not doing so here you are under the impression your conduct is acceptable. It is not.
And your engagement is not serious. You are not debating. You are screaming. A correct point is not invalidated by the passage of time.
Your counterpoints are easily refutable: There are almost certainly far more Vulpera, who form a complete society in Vol’Dun.
Void Elves have a low population, but Void Elves can recruit from the remaining High Elves and the much larger proportion of Blood Elves. Whilst almost certainly not able to reproduce, so long as their are those willing to transform, there should be a steady supply. High Elves however have lost every single supposed base they ever had, from the lodges in the Eastern Kingdom to Dalaran (and I remember the edit war on Wowpedia when some folks tried to give a bit of heft to the High Elf case by declaring Dalaran their capital and others would change it back. Guess that issue is permanently sorted…).
The fact that you think a race with one camp in a desert is more populous than a race with multiple strongholds across Outland and Azeroth is proof that Anti-Helfers are all unserious trolls.
I’ve had my fun with you, NPC, but now it’s time for the block. See ya!
Again, more insults. I will keep pointing out you are debating like a child so long as you continue to do so.
A nomadic species that primarily relies on Caravans as the basis for their society with an occasional trading post where those Caravans can meet up for barter and communication is not analogus with a supposedly settled society. The Romani/Bedouin influence is blatantly obvious.
Yes, the Vulpera population is obviously much greater than that of the Alliance High Elves if only becasue they are capable of maintaining an independent society and the High Elves are not.
Actually
The Keldorei or night elves and quel’dorei or highborn as they were called are the same elven race, the difference name comes from where they lived, night elves lived in the boonies and highborn in the cities, which is a similar situation to the current rift between the thalassian elves.
anyway they are the same race.
Now when the whole well of eternity exploded and some of the Highborn were exiled, they left with a vial of well water and started their own kingdom in what is now called the eversong woods.
these former quel’dorei changed to become the thalassian elves you know as high elves.
they kept the name but they are very different from their original form.
The nightborn or shal’dorei were quel’dorei but their long life living under a magic dome and getting juiced from the night well changed them, and they changed their name to reflect that, but they are as much quel’dorei as the blood elves are, perhaps even more because they haven’t changed nearly as much.
Now all that aside. there are still pockets of quel’dorei aka highborn night elves some of which have joined the alliance again which is why you can play a night elf mage.
So purely by lore, if you want to play a real factually correct, original high elf, your best option is either nightborn or night elf mage.
So when Elisande calls Vareesa a quel’dorei she isn’t wrong but she herself is also a quel’dorei, its just she doesn’t identify by that label anymore.
Its a mess, the blood elves and all their off shoots should really do a proper name change to avoid the confusion.
It’s not a mess because it’s pretty clear what we want: a race labelled “high elf”, not encompassing all high elves (just as the in-game race labelled “undead” in fact only encompasses a minority of undead), specifically encompassing the High Elves of the Alliance who have been in the game since Vanilla.
The problem is that Hordies/Belf fanboys/Anti-Helfer trolls like the guy above clutch their pearls whenever someone suggests making an in-game race labelled “high elf.”
And here I thought they liked the Blood Elves because they are, you know, Blood Elves. They are obsessed with the word “High elf.” Quite a strange lot if you ask me.
The problem is that the race is already playable and a part of the Horde. I think there have been few occasions outside legal cases when a single adjective has borne as much weight to justify something as the ‘high’ in ‘high elf’.
Had Kael’thas not bothered to change the name (and Metzen only had them do so for rule of cool) you’d be stuck trying to articulate an argument.
My interest in the topic was rekindled after several years following the reveal as I felt if they were ever going to be added, it was going to be with this expansion.
I was unsurprised that the reaction was not a final acceptance that it wasn’t going to happen, but a torrent of headcanon and complaining.
However, this is very much my Main. Your inability to debate is painfully apparent however. You are engaging in multiple ad hominem attacks and you have decided that it is folks who see no need to add High Elves, who are already playable, who are to blame when in actual fact it is the developers.
You keep making references to the length of the debate or points you believe were debunked ‘years ago’ yet the sheer groteseque length of time this has been carrying on does not seem to have gotten through to you.
If they weren’t going to do it with Midnight then they simply aren’t going to. It’s not even hard to see why. Four Elf options, two per side and what you are crying out for isn’t a variation it is just a flat out duplicate. Other players not obssessed with this are probably seeking genuine alternative options, not a duplicate of something already available who can group with all the Alliance players you want.
“I decided to make an alt and brigade another Helfer thread because the news of no High Elves in Midnight emboldened me.”
You really shouldn’t be emboldened. Blizzard can make new race whenever they want. They were going to add Pandaren in TBC and they added Haranir in Midnight who until yesterday had nothing to do with Light, Void, or Quel’Thalas.
Then again, Horde brigaders aren’t exactly the brightest lot. The still don’t understand in the Year of Our Lord, 2025, that Blizzard doesn’t need justification to add a new race whenever they feel like it.
Which is actually the opposite of what I said for I have declared I am not posting on an alt. And I am at liberty to reply as circumstances and events allow, if I wish to reply more frequently because of the Midnight reveal then that is my right.
An appeal to authority is not debated because of course it is true. But as the basis for an argument it is a woefully poor one. Particularly as if Blizzard were minded to add this duplicate as you say they can do whenever they want, then last week was the best and most logical opportunity in years.
They didn’t.
And again, ‘not the brightest lot’. Tell me, are you capable of debating someone without lobbing insults or were you simply raised wrong?
