#Quel’dorei2025 💙

is my consumer rights to complain about the inclusion of these things less valid?

No. I support your right to disagree with me, nor would I dream about silencing dissenting opinions. Debate is healthy and it helps people understand each other.

And what good will it do to complain about something they already settled on?

“The customer is always right, in matters of taste”

It’s up to the customer to determine if something is settled or not. Either things are made right or they aren’t and the customer and the business go their separate ways

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Request is fine, if it does not come and you keep requesting and requesting and requesting until you get your way… that is crying like a baby that doesnt get what it wants !

This is weird. You see, we began here because you were quoting a tweet that ‘it didn’t say no’ and you got some measure of hope from that. But you are now citing the times they did say no and had to backtrack, which is precisely why they never say no anymore.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot derive hope from them ‘not saying no’ on the one hand whilst citing all the times they did so no and backtracked on the other. You have to accept that them not saying no is meaningless, and you are providing the reasons as to why that is.

On alternate Draenor; that entire expansion was a badly thought through mistake and from what I understand it is one we can lay entirely at the feet of Chris Metzen. The original concept for the expansion was for us to go to another chunk of Outland but one that was less affected by the destruction of Draenor, a more primodial version of the world, and Garrosh would ressurrect the original Warlords to form a new Horde from Orc survivors on that landmass. That changed into Garrosh time travelling and became a complete mess narratively. But yes, it is very clear, alternate timelines are not fully real in World of Warcraft and Twilight of the Aspects emphasises that they are mostly shadows of the real timeline. It maybe that Alternate Draenor has acquired substance or independent longevity as a result of Garrosh’s actions, maybe one day they’ll clarify that.

The split between Blood Elves and High Elves was not over fel magic, this is a misconception. Fel magic was utilised in crystals to sustain the magics propping up Silvermoon, and Blood Elves received a mild dose that turned their eyes green. The split was over consuming mana from living beings such as mana wyrms. This issue was of course resolved with the restoration of the Sunwell, and both groups now feed on the same light-arcane mix because both groups are identical and share the same biological need for magic. Most Blood Elves and Alliance High Elves should have golden or blue or purple eyes as a result. The exposure of Blood Elves to Fel is incredibly mild compared to what the Orcs received when they were differentiated from the Mag’har. As a reminder, they literally drank the blood of a demon. So the argument is made because…

1.) the levels of exposure that Blood Elves had to fel is vastly smaller than what the Orcs were exposed to…AND ingested and
2.) We know what a thalassian elf looks like when they are exposed to the same amount of fel…we get a Felblood Elf. No Blood Elf exhibited any kind of physical change except for their eye colour and as we have determined, thalassian elf eye colour is incredibly fickle.
3.) The time the Blood Elves were exposed to fel was incredibly brief and the restoration of the Sunwell means all thalassian elves, with the almost certain exception of the Void Elves, now feed on a font of light and arcane energy.

The Silver Covenant played a role in Wrath because Dalaran was involved. They played a role in Mists because Dalaran was involved. They played a minor role in BFA because Veressa was involved due to her connection with Sylvanas. Every example, they are not there of their own accord but to play a minor role in someone else’s story.
Xal’atath’s body being that of a high elf merely proves there is one less High Elf in a world where every loss, either to death, retirement or becoming a void elf depletes them even more.

The Night Elves are a core Alliance race. And the Forsaken capital is the Ruins of Lordaeron. The High Elf capital is Silvermoon, in the same way the capital of any bunch of traitors is their national capital, because High Elves are Blood Elves with a different opinion.

It’s easier for those of us to keep SAYING Ion’s ‘Blood Elves are High Elves’ line because it is true and we aren’t perennially waiting. Parroting is a weird word as well, I mean I get you hate that line because it exposes the delusion at the heart of your argument, that Alliance High Elves are distinct from Blood Elves, but it is telling it grates. Like it or not, that is the reality of the situation.

And your final line exposes the fullness of your folly. They GAVE you Void Elves loaded with high elf like customisations. You are mistaking your request for one that is reasonable and thus actionable when it isn’t, you are being unreasonable because you are insisting on perfection and given what Void Elves can represent it is clear that what you want is to enforce an objective reality…that the rest of the game and playerbase acknowledge you as a High Elf.

It is no good being 98% of the way there, which is where you are with Void Elves, if anyone else can take a look at you and say you’re a Void Elf. Nope, you have to have it all, including being acknowledged as a High Elf within the Alliance.

I cannot help you that you reject the compromise. I cannot help you that you see no value in what they have given there. I cannot help you that you seek recourse in that most childish of notions, that if you cry long enough they’ll give you what you want. Because you refuse to accept most other big requests didn’t have this level of opposition and that Blizzard seems to agree with that opposition stance.

Blizzard is under no obligation to diminish the factions by giving the Alliance a copy of a core Horde race. They gave you a very close match seven years ago after years of complaining about it. I really doubt they will go further.

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You cannot have it both ways. You cannot derive hope from them ‘not saying no’ on the one hand whilst citing all the times they did so no and backtracked on the other. You have to accept that them not saying no is meaningless, and you are providing the reasons as to why that is.

Yes I can, because as I’ve mentioned before, a business is beholden to its fans. (Ok, maybe they’re more beholden to their shareholders than they are their customers, but neither here nor there), and that if a request has enough people and enough power, it’ll happen, because while the direction of World of Warcraft is up to its devs, they shouldn’t forget who it was that made their popularity and lasting power possible in the first place.

Okay, we can agree that WoD was a strange expansion (even though it had some amazing raid encounters and a great levelling experience). But that doesn’t take into account the Caverns of Time, which explores past events and even alternate timelines if I recall correctly?

The split between Blood Elves and High Elves was not over fel magic, this is a misconception. Fel magic was utilised in crystals to sustain the magics propping up Silvermoon, and Blood Elves received a mild dose that turned their eyes green

Source? Frozen Throne had Kael’thas join up with Illidan and the Burning Legion because Lady Vashj rendered assistance and it was preferable to execution at the hands of Garithos. Also, Kael’thas sent agents back to teach the Blood Elves how to use fel magic. I think that qualifies as more than just “a mild dose”.

Christie Golden’s “Exploring Azeroth” reads:

In the end, with their addiction to first arcane magic and then fel energy, and the horrors brought to their doorstep and beyond by Arthas Menethil and the Scourge, the blood elves demonstrated great courage, determination, and strength.”

Given how malleable and open to retconning the lore is, take that as you will. Maybe Midnight will expand on this or deny it.

But let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that you’re right and the difference between Mag’har Orcs and green Orcs is greater than that between Blood Elves and High Elves (even though, they have the same body, genetic makeup, and physiology). We have two flavours of humans, one from stormwind and one from Kul Tiras. Ok, the Kul Tiran model is a lot… bulkier than the Stormwindian human, but are you seriously going to argue that a fat person has a completely different biological makeup than a skinnier counterpart?

Zandalari Trolls. One of the coolest additions to the Horde. They were originally indistinguishable from the Darkspear trolls when they were introduced. And as far as I can tell, aside from cultural differences, they’re no different from the Darkspear in terms of biology.

Highmountain Tauren. Okay, they have moose antlers, touche. But if moose antlers are enough for a separate, similar AR, maybe some tattoos would suffice for another.

They played a minor role in BFA because Veressa was involved due to her connection with Sylvanas

Well, Windrunner spire is an instance and Sylvanas will be involved somehow, so I expect to see Vereesa get involved. In a story about elven reunion, the Silver Covenant will absolutely be there.

My examples simply serve to point out that there are far more high elves then that “90% of 90%” argument suggests. And this is before we take into account the “unknown unknowns”. Maybe there’s a group of high elves we haven’t come across yet.

The Night Elves are a core Alliance race. And the Forsaken capital is the Ruins of Lordaeron

as far as I understand, the only the area above the Undercity is accessible. But there’s barely any Forsaken who are still there. The majority of them are refugees in Orgrimmar.

The High Elf capital is Silvermoon, in the same way the capital of any bunch of traitors is their national capital, because High Elves are Blood Elves with a different opinion.

The capital city of China is in Beijing, and yet there’s a state that calls itself the Republic of China off the Taiwan strait, which has Taipei as its capital. I won’t make any political arguments, simply drawing a real life example for comparison.

But we don’t even have to look at China to counter this argument. The capital of Vichy France was Paris, but its legitimate government-in-exile was in London. If you talk to any alliance aligned elves, they do consider Silvermoon “occupied” by the enemy and somewhat behave like a government-in-exile themselves.

It’s easier for those of us to keep SAYING Ion’s ‘Blood Elves are High Elves’ line because it is true

No, it isn’t. I’ve many arguments as to why it isn’t. If Blood Elves are High Elves, why the need to call themselves something different? And what does that make of remaining Windrunner sisters and their followers who serve the Alliance with distinction?

They GAVE you Void Elves loaded with high elf like customisations. You are mistaking your request for one that is reasonable and thus actionable when it isn’t, you are being unreasonable because you are insisting on perfection and given what Void Elves can represent it is clear that what you want is to enforce an objective reality…that the rest of the game and playerbase acknowledge you as a High Elf.

Okay. Let’s say you’re at a restaurant that you’ve loved since childhood, and there was this dish you enjoyed eating for as long as you can remember. Let’s say they take it off the menu for some reason, and you petition the chef to bring it back. He tells you that you can have it with pineapple, but it completely alters the flavour and it isn’t quite the dish you wanted. “If you want to eat this dish, you have to have it with pineapple” the chef says.

So, you continue to petition until, by some miracle, the chef listens and brings you that discontinued dish from childhood, thankfully sans pineapple. It’s great, but it is lacking in seasoning and there’s a certain topping that you remember. The chef is this close to bringing your favourite dish back, but it’s set back just a little bit.

Do you simply shrug and enjoy it what is there, and wish to no longer bother the chef while you only enjoy the lesser version of what you remember? Or do you bring him over one last time and give him the feedback he needs to really bring the magic back? Remember, the customer is always right in matters of taste. It is not for the customer to adapt to the needs of the business. It is for the business to adapt to the needs of the customer. That is how the free market works.

Blizzard is under no obligation to diminish the factions by giving the Alliance a copy of a core Horde race.

And I’m under no obligation to keep giving them my subscription

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Actually, your both kind of wrong regarding the exile of the High Elves.

What the actual and accepted lore is, is that the whole thing around mana tapping.

The High Elf Rangers and Priests who were exiled, did not have any issue with the fel crystals or building Silvermoon back up…what they took issue with is tapping the arcane magic out of the magical creatures around Quel’Thalas.

Fel Magic played no real role in it because we saw High Elf Warlocks, even 1 joining the Silver Covenant.

What gets mixed up is the belief that the High Elves were exiled because of fel, which simply isn’t true. The lore states that most of the Elves in Quel’Thalas had no idea that these magical relics from Outland were fel…only the Blood Elf Warlocks dotted around Sunstrider Isle and Silvermoon knew what they were, but they weren’t the reason for the High Elf exile.

The High Elf exile happened purely because of the Mana Tapping issue. Not the fel issue

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And mana tap is removed since end of tbc
After the sunwell has been rebuild.

So since end of tbc/beginning of wotlk if you like quel’dorei, their people, lore, city.

You can play, according to your rp, a high elf who never went in outland/never mana tap/never use fel etc etc

In the blood elves ranks has a former high elf returning in his homeland with a sin dorei citizenship

If you dont you re just a human pets or think quel’dorei are like tolkien’s elves (huge mistake)

The only ones who are banned are Alleria and her void elves

Facts :

High elves were officially with the alliance during 3 years (year 5 to 8)

High elves werent with the alliance during the third war (only independant elves were)

Quel dorei as blood elves are in the horde with a viable and good life. = around 14 years

Make your choice

  1. true love of quel dorei
  2. living in denial that you re a tolkien elf

Some help :

  • the prince who murdered our people was a human
  • no help from the kirin tor (dalaran)
  • Garithos
  • purge of Dalaran
  • lorewise dwarves and humans mock us
  • no help from other human kingdom
  • tbc : veto from NE who refuse our comeback in the alliance
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Blizzard has no mandatory responsibility to give you anything. High elves won’t be added no matter how hard you cope. They made it clear Quel’thalas stays in Horde hands.

I got a good feeling for Midnight expansion. Even in the last survey Blizz mentioned High Elves so they are aware of the request. High Elves have a history of perseverance, and so must we. And fingers crossed for the Amani trolls as well! And than you for the people that disagree, that in their own way help keep the thread alive! Kudos babes!

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Also lorewise:

  1. High Elves thought themselves better than humans, not equal to them (especially during Troll Wars, but You can also see this with the rivalry between Kael and Arthas over Jaina).
  2. So called “Alliance High Elves” aren’t paragons of virtue: they readily and without question killed innocent civilians during the Purge of Dalaran. Veressa planned and executed the poisoning of Garrosh when he was imprisoned and defensless during his trial in Pandaria - only Anduin’s intervention prevented Garroshe’s death. Veressa was even very close to joining Sylvanas in ruling Forsaken!
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So they aren’t tolkien High Elves! Colour me shocked! o

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High elves are the Blood elves

You ll never see playable alliance quel dorei

Except blueberries ofc

If Anasterian Sunstrider was back from the dead tomorrow

He ll join blood elves, 100%.

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Purge of Dalaran set the scene. It proofs high elves follow their human masters without question. They are their biggest cheerleaders and that is their whole personality.

No Blood Elves are High Elves. Cmon now get the basics right at the very least!

Blood Elves are a specific group of High Elves who were formerly part of the Alliance but, after the devastation of the Scourge in Quel’Thalas, chose to rename themselves to honor their fallen people and aligned themselves with the Horde. High Elves, therefore, are the broader racial group, while Blood Elves are a specific cultural and political faction within that race, distinguished primarily by their allegiance, historical name change, and, for many, a visible change to green eyes due to their past use of fel energy.
tch tch.

And we want the High Elves, you know, the OG ones that did not align themselves with the horde.

OH NO HERE COMES THE REPLIeS SO MANY PEOPLE TYPING! Frothing even as they type!

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3 years

Only 3 years in the alliance and not even in warcraft 3 events

We are in the horde since 14 years

“We want HE”

Who? You mean the 4,5% playerbase

Minus 50% of blueberries model users who play sincerly VE?

LOL

Not a group. The majority.

Radidation of fel energy. They never used fel at large. Read the books.

LMao it is obvious your friendship with humans is your only take if you only cared about the race you would make a blood elf, give them blue eyes and call it a day.

Well technically the alliance of old was like 5 minutes and instantly left the moment the war was over. Been Horde since 2007. That counts.

“A part of…”

LOL 90% of living quel dorei are blood elves

We are the High elves calling us blood elves for remember our deads.

You re just a wanderer independant High elf simping humankind

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You getting pretty upset there gabi. Better take a break babes.
445,500 players want High Elves? Oh my what a considerable number! if we are using the 9.9 million monthly players as of mid-2025 as source.

Thank you for the numbers! Much love!

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Mourn your illusion

I have never seen fantasy elves of any IP simping this hard for humans anywhere else. They dig so hard in the Windrunner sisters they take all inspiration from what Alleria is doing.

And this is exactly why a race called “High Elves” should never be introduced (unless Blood Elves stop mourning the fallen and decide to return to their original name):