Quel'dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race

18/05/2018 00:15Posted by Crðw
18/05/2018 00:13Posted by Moritz
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If I can I will try source the creator and see if they can give me a model without clothing I might not find the owner but if I do I'll be more than happy to share the stock images they have of the initial body model without clothing.

After blocking out her face the model looks decent.
It's just not enough as a stand alone thing in my eyes to make them stand out from the blood elves.
Personally I think it would be a great base for a half elf though.


That's where hair and face preset would allegedly come into place I'd say including earrings and warpaint and possibly limiting hair colours and skin tones and the added extra of prestige armour :)[/quote]

I wish quoting was working properly :P
I guess I'm just having a hard time imagining it since with the face, hair, and clothing, she kinda looks like a stay at home mum XD
18/05/2018 00:14Posted by Mornatar
17/05/2018 23:52Posted by Crðw
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I'm confused, high elves have worked with the alliance throughout each expansion remember the RTS / Books / RPG work differently also its very much depicted that with one of the wind-runner sisters being more close to the wind-runner who is pretty much pure who alleys these high elves works alongside the alliance in dalaran if it was the case that they hated night elves they would have declined and oppressed the night elves even entering the city.

You need to remember a faction has a council and not everyone needs to like each council member the horde are in fact best examples of that and clearly the High elves that remain have respect for the humans and there ideology you're holding onto strings because if the blood elves themselves hated the night elves so badly for example why did they start considering to join the alliance in MOP? Not to forget the fact that the High elves tried to genocide the Blood elves from dalaran which clearly shows there ideology are set differently so they see each other in different lights which would make sense for them to join the alliance so which includes my point and I feel I've debunked yours if you feel I'm wrong please elaborate with a counter argument I look forward to a healthy discussion, please remember

wounds heal and times change and that was from the very mouth of your past warchief Garrosh Hellscream which most orcs completely hate the fact that Sylvan actually goes against there ideals themselves so I'm surprised the horde hasn't broken up in your mind set already, Tyrande does not speak for the Alliance Anduin does he is the inherent war-chief if we use your terminology in the hordes end.


Not all the Blood Elves, only Lorthemar Theron, was considering joining with the Alliance because of Garrosh and his behaviour towards all the other races of the Horde. Are you suggesting that the Blood Elves like the Night Elves just because of that one instance when Lorthemar though about joining the Alliance due to a murdering and rampaging orc warchief? If so, I'd suggest you think it thoroughly.


No I think statically as varian even stated before the pure in dalaran the blood elves were literally ready to rejoin the alliance and they were then pushed back by her betrayal so indeed the king had council with the blood elves and if the council were almost ready to go back to the alliance then those within the blood elf community would follow it doesn't take a genius to understand treaty's.
18/05/2018 00:18Posted by Moritz
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After blocking out her face the model looks decent.
It's just not enough as a stand alone thing in my eyes to make them stand out from the blood elves.
Personally I think it would be a great base for a half elf though.


That's where hair and face preset would allegedly come into place I'd say including earrings and warpaint and possibly limiting hair colours and skin tones and the added extra of prestige armour :)


I wish quoting was working properly :P
I guess I'm just having a hard time imagining it since with the face, hair, and clothing, she kinda looks like a stay at home mum XD[/quote]

I have a stay at home mum she could probably kill sargeras with a punch shes that scary, though its time for my bed I look forward to discussing this tomorrow!
High Elves aren't trusted in the alliance, there are a few high ranking High Elves but as a whole, they are treated as second class citizens by all the races of the Alliance. With void elves we have a situation where many high elves have turned their back on the light and embraced the void, which isn't going to sit well with the high elves who don't want to turn to the darkness and probably makes it even harder for high elves to integrate in the alliance. Alliance races will trust high elves even less now they are associated with void elves.

On the other hand, we have silvermoon with its purified sunwell offering a font of light energy which is still available for high elves to use. All high elves are addicted to magic and need a source of magic to live. With the recent rise of void elves, combined with the controversy they will generate in the alliance, they will probably be more inclined to return to silvermoon where they can be made welcome.

So here are my reasons High Elves should join or exist in the Horde.
1. Horde has had blue eye belfs since WotLK in DKs. This is a purely aesthetic reason, but blue eye belfs are horde assets.
2. The sunwell is purified and so green eye blood elves will no longer occur, and many will gradually lose the fel taint in their eyes either becoming blue or gold eyes with the holy and/or arcane energy. They have essentially returned to being High Elves themselves. They are no longer Blood Elves as they are not drawing energy from alternative sources other than the restored sunwell.
3. High Elves are creatures of the light, they don't want to mess with the void and so it makes sense that there will be a rift between those who choose to embrace it and those who refuse it. High Elves will want to distance themselves from Void Elves.
4. High Elves are welcome in the Horde, void elves are not welcome anywhere. The existence of void elves makes it harder for high elves to remain in the alliance
due to the stigma it causes among alliance races.
5. Blood Elves have access to the Arcway, allowing them to draw pure Arcane energy which could enable blue eyes.
6. Finally; the Ion Watcher quote, paraphrased as, 'if you want high elves, roll horde'. You can read into this however you wish, but I'm going to read into it as, 'high elves are going horde'.

This leads me to believe that Blood Elves are now (or will soon be) restored as High Elves, with Alliance High Elves returning to silvermoon as a result of stigma generated by Void Elves in the Alliance. Void Elves are drawing energy from unorthodox sources, essentially making them blood elves, though preferring the name void elf, tainted by the void. Blood Elves are now high elves, drawing energy from a purified sunwell, though probably preferring to keep the name Blood Elf.

Those are all my reasons.
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18/05/2018 00:18Posted by Crðw
blood elves were literally ready to rejoin the alliance
The Blood Elves have no intention of joining the Alliance. Lorthemar shut down Alleria before she could even talk about the idea.
Sick of this BS

Reported for spamm
17/05/2018 23:44Posted by Mornatar
Now why would the High Elves (who have become known as the Blood Elves now) want to join the Alliance when Night Elves are a part of that faction?


First of, they already are a part of the alliance. The night elves, or Tyrande specifically, does not run the Alliance, she doesn't really ahve a say in it, the high elves were there before her, she joined a faction that already had the high elves in it.
Though that has had it's rocky moments aswell.
If Tyrande would be an issue or even have a say in the high elves forming up with eachother to fully join as an actual faction, then the fact that alot of them quit arcane in total. The Quel'danil elves shouldn't really be an issue for Tyrande at all since they're not even dependent on magic anymore.

17/05/2018 23:44Posted by Mornatar
There has been no development to ever suggest that such an alliance can ever form. And there are no blue-eyed High Elves left anymore apart from the handful few who were away from their homeland of Quel'thalas during the events of Warcraft 3, like Vereesa, Alleria, etc.


Is that an Alliance between the night elves and high elves? Because they're both in the Alliance, making them Allies, and they weren't hostile when they helped in Suramar together so I think it's safe to say it's not an issue.
I actually think the whole idea of Tyrande being a dick to the Nightborn comes from poor writing rather than anything els. Not only are the highborne back in her society as far as I'm aware, shes been allied with some of the most magic loving races on azeroth for a while now like the humans and high elves, so her being a dick to the nightborn seems more like bad writing meant to make it so that the nightborn has some kind of reason to join the Horde.
But back to the point, the high elves were able to bring an army to Silvermoon and operate Dalaran and live in the Quel'danil lodge and live in a purely high elven base on outland at the same time, so clearly theres enough of them. To be a race, specially since void elves can.

17/05/2018 23:44Posted by Mornatar
So to sum it up, this imaginary and non-existent High Elven 'faction' (if you can even call a handful of such elves a faction) with blue eyes you want absorbed into the Alliance is basically a playable race on the Horde, only with green eyes, and thus it stands to reason that it is something that will never happen. Ever. Get over it.


Void elves were a non-existent faction until the day they were released.
They're not playable on the Horde, those are blood elves, they have a different theme, and if the brand new wow book is to believe, the blood elves are very culturally different from how they were before, AKA very different from the high elves. In the new book they are described as bitter, and no longer interested in ceremonial activities. This, backed up by the fact that Elisande refers to the blood elves and high elves as different races when she throws shade at them duringt he opening of the Suramar raid shows that they have grown apart so much that even an outsider can have different reasons to roast them.

And what makes you think it will never happen? Blizzard never said no. Ion said "The Horde is there for you" because of surface level things like "fair skinend and blonde", while even he didn't say "no". He said "Everything is possible in the future, as of now no plans in the short term."
Doesn't seem too unlikely to me.

18/05/2018 00:01Posted by Serbon
here is a larger chance they will allow us to have blue eyed blood elves


Based on what? We already know the sunwell gives people yellow eyes, not blue.

18/05/2018 00:09Posted by Mornatar
Well, I have seen a number of posts like these which deserve snide and to the point replies. Underneath all the eloquently made points by the original poster, in which he clearly spent a lot of time in editing, if one reads between the lines, anyone can see it is basically a bawling post by an Alliance player to get High Elves as a playable race just so he can xmog some characters and strut around Stormwind.


One could come to the conclusion that since 90% of the anti-high elf people are blood elf players they are just biased because they're afraid the Alliance would get newer better customizations than the blood elves.

18/05/2018 00:09Posted by Mornatar
He misses the point of what the High Elves represent in the evolution of the Elves, they are the middle point of the evolution of the Elves as can be seen in some quests in Winterspring as well. He hasn't even done his homework about the matter.


What are you even talking about? The blood elves have existed for 11 years. The high elves have existed for thousands apon thousands of years. They have not changed for those thousands apon thousands of years which we know because some of them would likely still be alive.

18/05/2018 00:09Posted by Mornatar
he High Elves are not numerous enough to form their own faction.


If the void elves are, then so are the high elves.

18/05/2018 00:09Posted by Mornatar
hey are a handful of vagabonds like Vereesa who left the Horde or the small number of Elves like the ones in Dalaran who are working for the Kirin Tor.


They didn't leave the Horde, they never joined.

18/05/2018 00:09Posted by Mornatar
And with Void Elves now a part of the Alliance I'd prefer if Blizzard just put a stop to this whole matter and focused on other cool races like trolls and orcs.


Thats your opinion. And why is 3 different orc allied races and 3 different troll allied races okay but not 3 thalassian elves?
18/05/2018 00:51Posted by Necata
Sick of this BS

Reported for spamm


It's not spam. Read the code of conduct. You can get banned for falsely reporting. Just a heads up.
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The difference between High Elves and Blood Elves is merely a political one. High Elves weren't cool with renaming their race to Blood Elves to honour their fallen kin, they refused to drain the mana from living creatures in order to survive, and ultimately they decided to leave Silvermoon. They weren't exiled by any means and the only bad blood between Blood Elves and High Elves is caused by extremists like Vereesa. Yes, the very same Vereesa who was probably sipping her wine in a safe place while Silvermoon was under Scourge attack. Besides, the Sunwell is restored for a long time now, Blood Elves no longer drain mana out of living creatures in order to survive, so any High Elves who protested against that no longer have a reason to do so. Blood Elves draw power from the Sunwell now, which is the same thing the High Elves do as well.

@Infuria All solid points, except for 5. After the defeat of Gul'dan, Khadgar teleports Eye of Aman'thul to Dalaran. With Eye of Aman'thul now gone, the Nightwell's balance is disrupted. Valtrois claims that they can still stabilize it and make it work, but Thalyssra ultimately decides to let it die. So, the access to Arcway probably doesn't mean much now. However, they have access to Arcan'dor now, which is created by arcane and nature magic. Fruits of Arcan'dor are literally miracles that can restore withered nightfallen to their healthy nightborne selves. It doesn't only restore the body, it fixes any negative effects withering has on the mind too. Blood Elves can use them to cure the fel taint, enabling blue eyes as a result.
18/05/2018 00:14Posted by Chato
Reported OP for spam. This is getting ridiculous. It actually is ridiculous. It is getting ridiculously out of hand ridiculous.

Also we need high vulpera for the alliance. Just like regular vulpera but with blue glowing eyes.


You're only hurting your own account.
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18/05/2018 01:03Posted by Tìtus
18/05/2018 00:14Posted by Chato
Reported OP for spam. This is getting ridiculous. It actually is ridiculous. It is getting ridiculously out of hand ridiculous.

Also we need high vulpera for the alliance. Just like regular vulpera but with blue glowing eyes.


You're only hurting your own account.


And I will report for spam every single high elf topic created after this one is locked.

Because its all that it is.
18/05/2018 01:03Posted by Feldaril
@Infuria All solid points, except for 5. After the defeat of Gul'dan, Khadgar teleports Eye of Aman'thul to Dalaran. With Eye of Aman'thul now gone, the Nightwell's balance is disrupted
Which is why i specifically reference the Arcway, rather than the Nightwell. The Arcway was the source of Arcane energy for the Nightborne before they built the Nightwell, and the Arcane energy still flows there (afaik).

18/05/2018 01:03Posted by Feldaril
Blood Elves can use them to cure the fel taint, enabling blue eyes as a result.
Very nice, hadn't thought of that.
18/05/2018 01:05Posted by Chato
18/05/2018 01:03Posted by Tìtus
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You're only hurting your own account.


And I will report for spam every single high elf topic created after this one is locked.

Because its all that it is.


And you will get banned for doing so, read the code of conduct. It straight up says

"Abusing the Reported Post feature by sending false alarms or nonsensical messages - If a player is found to have participated in such actions, he/she will:
Be given a temporary or permanent ban from the forums, depending upon severity"

You're literally not doing jack to hurt the post in any way.
The arguments are as follows.

"Blizzard, I want to play a Blood Elf on Alliance!"

A similar argument would be

"Blizzard, I want to play human on Horde!"

It is not an argument to make, let us get that out of the way. High Elves are now a part of the Horde, just as humans are a part of the Alliance and that will most likely not change at all.

Or... I severely hope it will never ever change, Nathanos is supposed to be unique, Nathanos, the dark rangers, Sylvanas, their bodies do not come cheap I assume otherwise Sylvanas would have reproduced it a long time ago (remember it makes the undead faster, stronger, better). It is a very special reward for very special people.

Every other argument is just misinformation.

Trying to claim that Blood Elves used fel as a sustenance thus their entire biology have changed, their bodies weakened or strengthened etc etc.

Trying to claim that just because some have a blue glow instead of green, then they are suddenly culturally different - newsflash - the Blood Elves have the exact same aspects and more associated with the High Elves that we all so love (Every single aspect of their culture.)

Trying to claim that the High Elves have are important in the lore because of a single scene that meant absolutely nothing, while also claiming that there are future stories to be told with the High Elves' relationship with the Alliance despite this story being one that have already been told and a ended a long time ago.

Blood Elves and Void Elves are currently fufilling the race fantasy that players want, some just have to realise that just because High Elves are now members of the Horde, does not mean that their culture suddenly change, this much should be obvious already, the Horde are actually individual races with different cultures, they are not just becoming orcs in the same manner that Night Elves, Draenei, Gnomes, Dwarves, Pandaren, etc etc just becomes humans. Blood Elves are actually High Elves in every single aspect.

This is World of Warcraft not Lord of the Rings, if we want the Alliance of men and elves a long time ago then LOTRO is still an existing game and are still being updated to this day.
18/05/2018 01:03Posted by Feldaril
The difference between High Elves and Blood Elves is merely a political one. High Elves weren't cool with renaming their race to Blood Elves to honour their fallen kin, they refused to drain the mana from living creatures in order to survive, and ultimately they decided to leave Silvermoon. They weren't exiled by any means and the only bad blood between Blood Elves and High Elves is caused by extremists like Vereesa. Yes, the very same Vereesa who was probably sipping her wine in a safe place while Silvermoon was under Scourge attack. Besides, the Sunwell is restored for a long time now, Blood Elves no longer drain mana out of living creatures in order to survive, so any High Elves who protested against that no longer have a reason to do so. Blood Elves draw power from the Sunwell now, which is the same thing the High Elves do as well.


Do you really think that is it though? After Theramore? And the fact that even Umbric the void elf is spouting his support for the Alliance and it's purpose, not because Alleria let them in, but because Umbric truly belives the Horde is a blight apon the world after recent events. Do you really think the high elves would have a different mindset? The same High Elves that had issues with the Horde in the first place so much so that they gave up their homeland to fight it, you think they would ever consider going back to it just because fel isn't an issue anymore?
Do you think they would be beating up blood elves in the Sewers of Dalaran just because Vereesa said so even though they didn't want to?
I don't think Vereesa has that kind of power at all, I think the Silver Covenent is all with her. And I doubt the High Elves of Quel'danil would wanna go join the Horde after living with the Wildhammer dwarves and draenei and so on for so long.

Umbric says he wishes Quel'thalas was under Alliance rule. I think alot of the high elves and void elves don't even want to go back because they don't want it as it is right now, they want it under new rule.
Which is why i specifically reference the Arcway, rather than the Nightwell.


But... nothing in Suramar is even needed.

The Sunwell is already a mixture of both Light and Arcane energies, this much has been confirmed already, this pretty much means that neither force is overpowering the other which means that Blood Elves could still be given the blue eye-glow along with the golden eye-blow, and it would still make sense.
18/05/2018 01:17Posted by Tìtus
Do you really think that is it though? After Theramore? And the fact that even Umbric the void elf is spouting his support for the Alliance and it's purpose, not because Alleria let them in, but because Umbric truly belives the Horde is a blight apon the world after recent events.


Umbric did not leave the Blood Elves and the Horde because he thought the Horde was a blight upon the world. He left because Lor'themar exiled him and his band and didn't have anywhere else to go.

Where do you get your information?

18/05/2018 01:17Posted by Tìtus
Do you really think the high elves would have a different mindset? The same High Elves that had issues with the Horde in the first place so much so that they gave up their homeland to fight it, you think they would ever consider going back to it just because fel isn't an issue anymore?


They are not angry and did not leave because the Blood Elves allied themselves with the Horde. They are angry and were forced to leave because they got exiled because of them not liking the method of siphoning magic from living creatures, that is the majority of them at the very least.

Vereesa and the Silver Covenant is angry because Garrosh and the Horde killed her husband.

Although he could just have stayed out of the fight in Theramore in the first place.

As I tend to say, the Silver Covenant and Vereesa are written as having nothing more but a childish tantrum shifting blames entirely on the Horde.

18/05/2018 01:17Posted by Tìtus
Do you think they would be beating up blood elves in the Sewers of Dalaran just because Vereesa said so even though they didn't want to?


Childish tantrums can do a lot.

18/05/2018 01:17Posted by Tìtus
Umbric says he wishes Quel'thalas was under Alliance rule. I think alot of the high elves and void elves don't even want to go back because they don't want it as it is right now, they want it under new rule.


Of course he does, he can't return as long as the Blood Elves control Quel'thalas they exiled him afterall.
18/05/2018 01:17Posted by Tìtus
Umbric the void elf is spouting his support for the Alliance
He also warns of the ulterior motives of the void. You can't trust a single word a void elf says.
18/05/2018 01:18Posted by Meleron
The Sunwell is already a mixture of both Light and Arcane energies, this much has been confirmed already, this pretty much means that neither force is overpowering the other
I have a feeling High Elves can attune to either energy. Like a paladin can attune to the light energy it generates, while a mage can attune the arcane. There are probably methods to 'block out' the unwanted energy.
18/05/2018 01:16Posted by Meleron
"Blizzard, I want to play a Blood Elf on Alliance!"


No one wants that. People want High Elves.

18/05/2018 01:16Posted by Meleron
"Blizzard, I want to play human on Horde!"


Yeah, I don't think it's unlikely we see some Nathanos looking mofos in the future.

18/05/2018 01:16Posted by Meleron
Trying to claim that Blood Elves used fel as a sustenance thus their entire biology have changed, their bodies weakened or strengthened etc etc.


I don't think anyone has said they're weaker or stronger. Their biology has for sure changed though, or els their children wouldn't have green eyes.

18/05/2018 01:16Posted by Meleron
Trying to claim that just because some have a blue glow instead of green, then they are suddenly culturally different - newsflash - the Blood Elves have the exact same aspects and more associated with the High Elves that we all so love (Every single aspect of their culture.)


Nope. Read the new book. Christie Golden makes it very clear that they're not the same. They don't even celebrate anything anymore, they barely want to put up a performance along side the other races as a cheer because the Legion was defeated. Christie Golden specifically writes them as "As bitter as the forsaken". Thats not like the high elves according to any of us, not even wowpedia. According to you the high elves are exactly what they were before, and you say blood elves are exactly like that aswell. Well, now we know they're not. So when a whole people is "bitter", thats cultural.

18/05/2018 01:16Posted by Meleron
Blood Elves and Void Elves are currently fufilling the race fantasy that players want


Who are you to say what other people want?

18/05/2018 01:16Posted by Meleron
some just have to realise that just because High Elves are now members of the Horde, does not mean that their culture suddenly change, this much should be obvious already,


You say that with such confidence even though a brand new book just gave us insight into their culture we didn't have before. How can you even say you know jack about high elven culture?
But even if they had the same culture, so does the void elves. The void elves should have the same culture as the people in silvermoon today since they literaly lived there like 5 min ago. The high elves haven't lived near it for over a decade though.
On top of that, you're saying that being in different factions along side different people, in different places isn't culture which it is.
On top of that Elisande talks to the high elves and blood elves as different races,s he has different reasons to roast them, clearly showing that even Elisande can pick at their different cultures, liek the fact that high elves bang alot of humans, thats is Elisandes point specifically, which means half elves are a reasonable thing aswell.