Question about wotlk racials

In wotlk, does the orc stun resist get nerfed?

Because everybody makes EMFH out as this absurd godracial - but I’m fairly certain that if a trinket existed which gave 15% stunresist and an activateable damagebuff, everybody and their mother would run it?

It gets changed to 15% reduced stun duration and wotf shares a 45 second cooldown with pvp trinket

Right that makes alot more sense then

You can have a metagem with stamina and 5% more stun resist (some even argued its more atm due to bug?), I dont see people using it excessively tho?

Healers and casters do for sure, and its only 5%, i gues surefooted is better for meele?

I think 3% crit dmg is better than 5% SR for most casters, healers like to run the mana refund metagem. Fun fact, priests have 15% stun, fear and silence resist! Maybe priests are gods of this game :frowning:

Can’t wait to see the Alliance QQ on the forums when their BG queues are wack come WotLK.

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Well, for warlocks it for sure isnt, not sure about mages tbh
Also those silence reaists on priests are trully annoying

You still believes that ally is getting emfh? Lol
Imagine horde having worse racials, cant allow that

EMFH will just make 1 racial on alliance on par with horde racials.

If humans immediately got EMFH and could wear a trinket that gives 15% stun resistiance, 20 resilience and an on use dmg buff, they would use that over any PVE trinket.

This is what would make a human equal to an Orc using pvp trinket.

Don’t worry there will no Alliance left for QQing and the only playing humans on arena would be Horde alts.

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Which you must almost never use because of huge debuff.

Dwarf priest, warrior gnome, dwarf paladin, human rogue, dwarf hunter

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A+

  • Forsaken
    WotF removes most powerfull forms of CC after stuns and makes you immune to it for 5 sec. No counters. Fake fear casts are useless.
    WotLK: will be stripped off imminity part and put on 45 sec CD with PvP trinket.
    I wonder why such harsh nerfs? Horde said “it is not that OP” ©

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  • Orcs:
    Hardiness 15% resist vs most powerfull form of CC - stuns. Has no internal cool down and can proc multiple times. Comes with a bonus of AP/Spd burst 3rd trinket like Blood Fury also best racial for PvE dps a.t.m.
    WotLK: Hardiness will be nerfed instead of resisting stuns it will reduce duration of stuns for 15%. The only counter is hope it won’t proc critical moment(s).
    Insane nerf. At least WotF kept it’s original functionality. I wonder why Blizzard did this? Horde said “it is not that OP” ©.

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  • Humans (A+ in WotLK with EMFH)
    Perception. Huge against rogues, however not as obious at BGs. Can be countered on arena by waiting it out 20 seconds or aggressive fast opening with sap. Only deserves A- tier if you are human rogue. Will be nerfed and made passive +1 stealth rank detection in Wrath making it C tier ability.

  • Tauren. Warstomp is reliable defence and offence AoE ability on short CD. If enemy is dumb enough to stack on top of Tauren can lock them all for nasty CC chain. Also usefull for PvE tanking in 5 ppl content and trash tanking in PvE raids.

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  • Gnomes: Escape artist is single use 3 min CD anti root. You can dispel roots by priest or paladin and cast while caught in it. Doesn’t provide immunity. Some players report it can even be resisted and fail to free Gnome player. Only deserves B- tier on Gnome Warriors.

  • Dwarves. Stoneform: +10% Armor for 10 seconds and removal of bleeds, curses and poisons. Was B+ in Classic, when rogue’s ability Blind was a poison. Does nothing against direct spell damage, in current low resilience rogue+frost mage (+ Priest in 3x3) meta. Can be countered by any form of CC.
    Dwarf priests were A+ tier in Classic due to fear ward. Now all priests have it and dwarf priest is only famous for chastise and desperate prayer (latter will be given to all priests in WotLK) so of all dwarves only dwarf priest deserves A tier.

  • BE. AoE silence still allows enemy to reposition and is only good for melee and aggressive mages. In PvE is nice addition to paladin AoE tanking and for dps to support chain CC on trash fights.

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  • Trolls. Berseking gives melee and casting haste at low % of HP and is a 3 min CD. PvP favours instant casts and 0.5 sec on cast won’t save you from burst if you are that low on HP. PvE ability. Could be interesting for melee if PvP wasn’t about short bursts fights. Noone would allow fury warrior troll to tunnel their target under berseking buff. Will be buffed in WotLK making it conditionless 20% personal mini BL and trolls also get less movement debuff duration passive making them steady B tier in PvP and A+ tier in PvE.

  • NE. Out of combat rank 1 stealth that allows drinking IF they got out of combat. Will be buffed in WotLK making NE to be able to get out of combat like with Vanish, making it good B tier ability. Useless trash in PvE before WotLK buffs and somewhat usefull for boss evasion and wipe recovery after that.

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  • Draenei. Athough having not bad passive bonuses in PvE, gift of Naaru is worse ability than berseking in PvP. Cast time scales only from +healing and long CD make it weakest PvP racial among others.

I lold.
I love how all low skilled and clueless people, who don’t even know basics, make statements that alliance have bad racials.
And things like

The need to counter RACIAL ability with ‘any form of CC’ makes A++ automaticali. But still here, whine oh how bad stoneform is, and put it near one of the worst race, BE. Great.

horde racials are better in pve, better in pvp. alliance has bad racials, just 2-3 extremely situational to be useful ones, rest are super bad, and if u disagree with the post over you then you must be playing a dfferent game

Escape artist is not on a 3 min cd. It also got nerfed from vanilla to tbc due to its being OP. Idk why such “analytical” horde hate.

As a fact, they are not.

Stop trying to make dwarf racial objectively equal to something like wotf.

Dwarf racial has nice uses VS essentially ONE class, that class is overrepresented but still. Wotf is S tier vs 3 of the other top 6 represented classes.

Human racial is amazing specifically for the same reason, but orc racial also breaks the game for/against rogues, while also having insane use against warriors. Technically you’d be able to use perception against druids, but any druid worth half their salt is going to be in bearform on opener, not even trying to catform.

WLK Shadowmeld isn’t B tier, it’s S for everything except tanks in PvE maybe. Let’s see,

  • 100% aggro dump in PvE, really good for healers and dps
  • Makes you leave combat (QoL and some clutch plays)
  • Interrupts spell casting in PvP
  • Rogues might be able to have a less efficient version of vanish because of this
  • Makes warriors able to beat frost mages in PvP (combined with spell reflect)
  • QoL when being out in the world, waiting or going AFK or something
  • Surprise advantage in arena sometimes
  • And more possibly

It’s so versatile and used creatively it’s OP AF.

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