RACIAL TRAITS should be DELETED and REPLACED with better solution 😎

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No, you are now assigning your own definition to a term.

All I am saying is that I do not feel my freedom impeded in any way when choosing a race, because the abilities that come with it are irrelevant to me (as in: they are not why I pick a race; once the race has been picked, I’ll gladly use them though - If they’re useful, great! If not; no problem. Then they’re still a flavourful option).

Hence; I feel quite free to pick whatever I like and I am totally fine with that (whether that does or does not comply with your definition of ‘total freedom’ is beside the point and not important to the point I am making).

No, for me that was the point I was making (see above).

You’re trying to turn it into some battle of semantics. I have no interest in that.

So you would want racial abilities to be turned into class or profession stuff?
Sorry, I just disagree. Racial abilities add flavour and immersion to the setting.
I value that. The abilities make a class play a little different than another race of the same class and I love that. Uniqueness has value too.

Simple as that. Your idea would ruin a source of fun for many people. No racial flavour whatsoever? That would take away from the RP experience, not add to it.

And what would be the net gain?
Races: Empty husks. Nothing more than a skin.
So basically the only real choice left would be ‘class’.
No thank you.

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It’s a hard rule that orcs are savages that can go berserk. Race matters in how your character plays. What I really like is how race traits play into the RPG aspect of each race, without breaking the game. In fact, this is one of the best RPG-style systems in the entire game.

What made Vanilla so special (and not Classic btw, b/c Classic is not Vanilla) is that Blizz just put things in the game that were cool. They talked about how teams didn’t really coordinate too much, and systems were put in place because they were cool.

I really wish we would get this mentality back. Now Blizz feels like they need to neuter the cool out of anything they release because it needs to be optimized and balanced and basically not fun. Fun is prime.

Locking content behind races is a much worse idea than racial traits. Remember how BFA felt small even if it was kinda big? But… it was split in two. Now imagine having exclusive zones for each race. And imagine every zone being decent enough for it to matter. This feature alone would be bigger than every expansion WoW has ever received. And not worth it at all.

It has to do with stupid homogenization of the game. The reason why warriors lost their guns and bows (they had them originally) is game balance and how warriors needed melee and ranged weapons. Buncha garbage if you ask me. Especially with personal loot there’s no excuse not to give us guns back.

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I never choose my race according to racial traits, but… I love my Night Elf Shadowmeld, because it helps when you are stuck in combat and for ex.: cannot mounut… I just use Shadowmeld and “voila” I can mount :smiley:
But to be honest I don’t care for racial traits, I just choose races according to my fantasy :slight_smile:

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No, I’m not.

Total means complete or absolute -that’s the definition btw- and you have no such freedom because if you want to play a given race you are forced to play with given traits and if you want to play with given traits you are forced to play given race.
Summing up, you -or anyone else- have no total freedom because Blizzard decided for us what traits we will have when choosing a given race and vice versa when choosing character based on the traits.

The problem is that you are selectively choosing what you are considering your choice and you blatantly ignore the fact about how system works and that some things are decided for us.

Your subjective experience is irrelevant because we aren’t discussing how you see the system but how the system actually works.

:rofl: . . .
You made a claim and I disproved your claim with two simple facts based on how the character creation system works. When confronted with those facts you choose to deflect by ignoring the facts and spewing some more of your subjective nonsense when your subjective opinion doesn’t matter in the discussion on how the character creation system actually works.

They are already what you are opposing to lol Lightforged have a BS speed boost and can spawn an anvil. Dark Iron also has BS boost. KTs have a boost to all professions lol Mechagnomes are walking crafting stations :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Uniqueness which is coming from the current racial trait system wouldn’t go anywhere if we were to detach traits from races and races wouldn’t lose anything special because they would themselves give people various gameplay experience trough questing/zones/lore.

If anything we would simply gain more interesting choices especially if traits were reworked and new traits were added.

How would it take from RP if it would support RP? What are you even talking about haha :laughing:

L . . . O . . . L . . .

The choice of race alone does impact gameplay experience through questing/zones/lore.
Trait choice adds RP and practical flavor to what you are trying to be in-game.
Character appearance also adds RP flavor to who you are trying to be in-game.
Implying that all those choices are somehow meaningless is just a big fast dishonest LIE.

Nothing would stop people from choosing traits that would play into the RPG aspect of the race they choose to play. Just because you don’t have racial traits it doesn’t mean that the trait system can’t have some level of support for the RP element of the races.

I don’t see how this had anything to do which what you quoted from me.

But I’m not trying to homogenize the game I simply want to detach traits from the race so we can have more freedom of choice and maybe rework/rebalance and add new traits to have more depth :thinking:

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I can certainly understand the argument for picking the best racial.

But the manner in which this presented is misleading. You see there is already a total freedom of choice when picking a racial. This system already exists. There is nothing that restricts any player from picking any racial he sees as a best fit for his class outside of the combinations that simply aren’t available to anyone.

This has been true since the first character was created.

The only drawback is that said choice comes with a drawback of maybe not being as cool looking as the op would want it to be. To which I can only reply … tough.

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If you see it as a problem, that is YOUR problem. I made it clear from the start that I was talking about ‘choosing my race’. I have total freedom there. What happens afterwards is not part of that choice.

So please stop this bickering.
You were talking about more than I was. Discussion resolved.

Now you are dragging your subjective opinion into this. :man_shrugging:t4:

Wrong. Factually wrong.

Again, your subjective opinion.

You can mock what I said all you want; doesn’t really do anything.

Parts of your idea have merit, but not at the cost of losing racial abilities.
How about just adding more (like the abilities based on professions, or maybe a unique ability based on your race/class combo?) instead of removing?

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10 chars .

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They can add it as a customization to the character creation screen where you can select up two 2 - 3 traits and it’s fixed but can changed via a service or sth and/or maybe have a free reset for these traits per xpack… dunno just an idea.

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Racials aren’t powerful enough to be the unnecessary negative influence as you claim they are.

Once, perhaps. Nowadays? Unless you’re a world first mythic raider, NO ONE CARES ABOUT RACIALS.

When was the last time you got kicked from a group, because you weren’t an orc warrior and was undead? That’s right. Never. No one CARES.

They’re fine.

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Man… so much hate in such a simple topic…

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No, it’s not my problem. It’s a problem with your delusional way of arguing where you quote someone and then argue by ignoring what the person said and replacing the discussed subject with your own selective subject.
It’s like someone is trying to argue which species of oranges is better and you are coming and claiming that this person is wrong because you prefer a completely different fruit.
Your way of arguing is simply ridiculous and proves nothing when it comes to the discussed subject.

The subject of the discussion is the character creation system as a whole and the level of freedom player has when it comes to choosing both races and trait in the same time NOT whether you can target traits on their own so you’re entire argument is irrelevant and besides the point.

Disproving someone’s claim with facts based on how the game is currently design is not a subjective opinion.

Claiming that something is wrong proves nothing so either proves that it’s wrong or stop wasting my time.

More choices are more interesting than fewer choices. It’s a simple fact and not a subjective opinion.

I’m not mocking you it’s simply hilarious how dishonest your arguments are.

Most people don’t care about race-oriented abilities or even hates the abilities they get with their favorite race. Racials are good in “pen and paper” games like DnD which are plaid for RP and most people playing WoW don’t care about RP aspects of racials. Sure some do but most don’t.

Except they are due to the slowly growing influence of the top 1%. These days most people look up what the top 1% plays and they are trying to copy it so if the top 1% plays e.g. trolls for their race during a given raid then a lot of people will go this rout as well.

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But how can I bounce on my fat panda bear backside then and take less damage from fall?

I’m sorry, I just couldn’t resist being a pandaren monk. XD

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That in itself seems like a good reason to rethink racials as a concept. Make them cosmetic or cool some other way, so as to incentivise their use no matter what the player’s preferred game style is.

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Dude! This is a month old discussion…
Were you banned or something?

I can’t be bothered to read back at what was said in the past man.

Yeah, well it’s my opinion that having racial traits is fine. It adds to the immersion. It makes more sense than shuffling them all around across all races.

Sure, it’s less customizability, but that’s fine; there’s plenty we CAN customize.

Ok. You said “Uniqueness which is coming from the current racial trait system wouldn’t go anywhere if we were to detach traits from races”. Of course you’d lose uniqueness if every race could, for instance, have shadowmeld. It would seize to be a unique night elf thing. So yes; your statement was factually wrong.

That wholy depends on at least 2 things (and those ARE subjective):

  • The quality of the new choices. If they’re bland and boring, more is not better than less. Quality over quantity.
  • If there’s a loss of identity; then I don’t think more choices is worth it. A night elf with flavourful, fitting racials is worth more to me than a night elf with generic traits that don’t enhance the ‘night elf fantasy’.

Sure, all traits being equal, then yes; more is better.
But this is not the case.

Ahuh.

They are not. You not understanding them, does not mean they’re ‘dishonest’ or invalid. You just don’t get what I mean. So let me explain:

Not much. There’s a new starter zone. The same for everyone. Race plays VERY little part there. As for everything beyond starter zones: you are referred to sometimes by your race. That’s it. There’s nothing else save for very very very rare unique things (like a race specific quest, heritage armor quest and such).

Not when those traits don’t enhance the fantasy of your race/class.
Which they can’t; because every race must be able to use them. So they HAVE to be generic (and thus less interesting).

Yes. I’ll give you that one, but like I said… All you’re doing then is picking a skin when you pick a race. An empty husk. Sure it’s part of your character, of course, but that choice is then nothing more than: what do I want to look like.

See the above. No lies.

You don’t know that. Just because it’s your opinion, doesn’t mean ‘most people’ agree. Pure guess-work.

Again with the ‘most’. Speak for yourself.

Anyway… Why was it needed to drag this month old discussion up? :blush:

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This isn’t even the case anymore. People aren’t rerolling because of racials, people are rerolling because Horde has around 20% more players.

Not to mention racials create such a small difference when they do matter that only top players should care.

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Choose orc horde or human alliance.

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I’d just like them to fix the models. Like undead shoulders sitting on their arms or bloodelf weapons being 8x the size of their bodies

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A lot of racials favor alliance races, I don’t see a shift in population. If anything, I would say that they don’t even matter that much anymore compared to faction population.

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It has been a long time since I played Belves, is it really like this now?
back when I played belf they had Teeny tiny weapons… like toothpicks for a sword :stuck_out_tongue:

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soon good to me finally i can steal the human potential tm :wink: