For PvP in particular, people have felt peer-pressured and forced into playing a race that might not even appeal to them, in a game where your first choice is what you want your character to look like (also a good argument in here for cross-faction, but that’s for another day).
This was made evident yet again recently in the arena tournament where a warrior decided to play Gnome and the casters hammered on home the point several times that he was outright “trolling” his team mates after obstinately sticking to that race for several games - Not the class! The race…
The reason? Escape Artist possessing minimal value relative to the Dwarf racial removing several schools of dots, essentially putting the hard breaks on specs like Assassination Rogue’s burst.
I’ve brought this up before and now I will once again.
It’s time for racials to be retrofitted and reworked into a tiny “talent tree” of choice where you can choose what fits your playstyle.
Want to play a worgen with Fireblood? No problem. Night Elf with trinket racial? Can do.
Dwarf with shadowmeld ? ok!
Racials are a fun idea, but they should be rp flavor or at a stretch, profession boosting - Not game breaking/changing.
“But just play whatever you want” tell that to the vast majority of players out there who fall in line with whatever the meta dictates. Also, let’s not claim we are above this behavior. We all adhere to sheepish mentality. I understand some people think them being 40 y/o and refuse to use key bindings makes them “unique” and “independent thinkers” but let’s not kid our selves when it comes to things that could work in a place where it currently doesn’t.
Totally agree with you. I’m currently playing an ele shaman Dwarf for no other reason than stoneform plus the 2% crit damage are impactful in pvp when the whole spec centres on crit multipliers (and I need all the help I can get because I suck.)
Racials have a long history: from Tolkien (elves hide in woods, Dwarfs are sturdy, humans are heroic etc) through Dungeons and Dragons (Dwarves Plus 1 Strength or whatever) into WoW.
SWTOR for all its faults nailed this. Racials were purely cosmetic and fun, leaving you free to play what you want without game impact, Let’s do that.
Allow me to backpeddle and apologize, you said 10 % of the top playerbase not the playerbase period. Even so, that’s a grotesquely contrarian thing to bring up considering that although most people do not ever reach the heights of the 10 % elite, they are still allowing this to dictate what they play. THat’s the issue, not what’s good for the top 10 %.
Racials are irrelevant to 99,9% of the playerbase, nobody is forced into anything. Disable them in competitive enviroments and problem solved so even tryhards can play the race they like.
Most people who participate in PvP are “tryhards” by your definition. Also, how is your idea of disabling something better than just making it an option to choose a single racial from the list of all of them, like you’d swap talents?
In your example, we are further segregating abilities which when it can be avoided, should.
And you’re right, nobody is being “forced”, but I guess anything to benefit the contrarian agenda. You understand perfectly well what’s being written, com’on.
Most people that participate in PvP don’t care, only a few do and the only place where it should matter is competitive PvP so why should everyone else have to change for them?
People have advantages in real life too, deal with it.
It’s a suggestion, not a doomsayer’s prediction on what or may not cause the walls to cave in on themselves. There’s nothing to “deal with” I’m fine the way things are for the game, but it could be better, hence the suggestion. Are you really this hungry for conflict in your life?
I would hate it if they removed racials. No-one is forcing you to play anything, that is just you being a sweaty min/maxing tryhard. Why should the rest of us miss out on awesome flavourful racials because you have some weird, sad try-hard min/max need to always be the best? (No one cares how’ good’ you are, it’s a ancient computer game only middle aged people play)
Same kind of utter kill joys who whined and whined and whined about the awesome covenant system until it was nerfed to the point it may as well not have existed. Same kind who whined and whined and whined until classes have lost alot of what them unique and started to all feel the same.
You people know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. I hate min/maxers, they are so detrimental to the game.
The only one who suggested removing racials was the guy who is busy being a sourpuss. I know the forums are full of miserable people, but this is getting ridiculous. Read it or go somewhere else. Or stay, feed on negativity if that’s what you like.
Playing an alliance Tank the only possible option is dark iron dwarf
because having a BONUS dispel for bleeds,curses and all that stuff is just a GOOD thing…
doesn’t matter if you clear 12 keys or 20 it’s a must have spell on your bars to smooth out the experience for yourself
So for example when i tank AA i can use bubble / racial/BoP that is like 3 easy counters to a bad spell and easy life for my healer
Its not a must have, its a want have. People need to stop trying to ruin what little is left of racial identity in this universe because of their selfish needs.
Dwarves can turn their skin into stone BECAUSE theyre a Dwarves etc.
Any of these would do, or of course, getting to pick your own.
Say, I do like void elves, and Entropic Embrace is a nice dmg boost, but I loathe Spatial Rift. So if I wanted a movement ability, I’d rather take the goblin jump or the Highmountain bull charge. Those are a real boon to have for a wheelchair class.
No. I think they’re great and flavourful. I’m a bit tired of all these requests to remove more and more of Warcraft from this MMO. A talent tree? I’d rather not homogenise this game any further tbh.
I know it’s different between PvE and PvP, but at least in Raids and Dungeons, if you are not getting to 100% of the base potential of your class/spec, then you shouldn’t be worried about the extra 1% or 2% gained from racials.
Now, not all races are the same, and especially in PvP some are more useful than others. I don’t feel that the entire system needs to be torn down just because some classes are flagging behind. Ignore all the stupid bullying and blind bias from the community; racials like Escape Artist still have value. If a racial is ever undertuned, it’d be better to raise them up.
Not really a contrarian point of view. The Paladin was just pointing out that the strength of racials is only a factor in the very highest levels of play. 10% of the best players isn’t that big.
People do copy those people, but that’s not really the fault of the racials. That’s just unfortunate human nature and the habit kept up by the community. They’ll only know that “X race is the best race for Y class/spec” and not really understand why or how that would even matter to them with only 63% parses.
That’s people just following other people. You don’t blame the cliff when the lemmings follow their leader over the edge.
