Raid gear GS gatekeeping and solution for it

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Right now to get on (almost) every raid group in sod, you need to be much higher gs then this content drop (900+gs for nightmare drakes or bwl, that drop t2/t2,5 gear, and 900gs is aq+ itemlevel). So only soluation is to cheat with your itemlevel such as use ony attune BoP neck that gives very big gearscore (as its broken calculation and gives +100gs compared to alternatives), or use some FR naxx craft pieces that are high gs but dont provide set bonuses (so in fact, lower your dps). But i don’t think it’s good to cheat, and without this cheating you simply can’t get into raid if u are lower ilvl then this raid.

Easy solution to fix it. Add to every hardmode of the old raid, mechanic same as on ALgalon-10 achievement in WOTLK. You get hardmode loot only, if every player in your group is not higher then some ilvl (on Algalon your every piece should not be higher then some ilvl, but i think better to do that system counts your avg ilvl so you can replace only some pieces with lower ilvl blue AH gear pieces, and not change all pieces; so it’s not hard to do and change 3-4 pieces for greens/blues if you are overgeared).

To prevent calculating or just inattention fails, a buff will be displayed on person if he meets this itemlevel req, so it’s easy to check. When every players have buff, they should activate the hardmode (add an altar so all players click on it) and from this moment if any player switch gear and will be higher ilvl then max possible, he will be insta teleported out of the instance (or just getting an error trying to equip gear that brings him higher then set max ilvl).

As blizzard said sod is experiment, so its a good place to test such system. Thoughts?

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”Make your own group”

Very Simple solution.

You can invite any GS you want.

No need to rely on others

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Punishing players for playing the game is not an “easy solution”

GS is an easy baseline to form groups off of, even if you cheat 900gs with Ony neck it’s well enough up to Naxx if you know how to play. And if you don’t then more gs won’t help you.

You can get 850-900 with reals/bwl/aq10/Kara, and below 800 you shouldn’t try to get into aq20 hardmode runs.

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It doesn’t punish. You just change some of your pieces to some blues and get nearly same dps as players that are prev tier geared.

Kara? You can’t get to kara below 900gs. Same as most groups to bwl and aq10. Sure you can buy some gear with reals and it will bring you to 800gs but it’s not enough to get to most of the groups still.

The real question isn’t “can raid be completed with full group of 750-800gs people?” (it can, in most situations), but that most people are overgeared and when people are 1-1.2k gs, your 800gs is nothing compared to it (even if raid can be completed with 800gs people you won’t be invited because most people are much better geared). On next phase, when most people will be 1.2-1.4k gs with new gear, they will require you to be 1.1k+ to join aq10. And this is the problem as if we will have even more tiers after scarlet within 1 level cap, it will be almost impossible to catch up because you won’t be able to get even to first raids with fresh 60.

Why 25/40/50 level phases were so alt friendly? Because there was only 1 raid tier and it was very easy to get to raid as fresh levelled. Now, as GS is so inflated, this game is not alt friendly anymore

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I understand the frustration of joining some of the insane gs requirements in some of the pugs.

But there are some VERY (!) simple solutions to it, either make your own group, or join a guild.

Why people wanna play in pugs instead of with guilds is beyond me. The experience is way better.

Pugs are the absolute worst in this game:)

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i think best solution is keeping tier peices from real vendor up-to-date. When new phase launch, it should offer half of the set pieces of prev tier (so half of t2,5 now, and half of t3 when next phase launch), and ALL set pieces of earlier tiers (so all t2 now, and all t2,5 once next phase launch). They did almost same system on WOTLK/Cata classic with heroic rune dungeons, and it works perfect to catch up. Just T1 and half of T2 is really low for naxx phase.

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There are actually some nice, organised and regular PUG to join for people that don’t especially want to be guilded.

Actually my whole SOD experience has been guildless and I’ve always got the gear I wanted in a steady rate.

For someone like me that has been in a solid guild from classic launch to late WotLK, where I was particulary involved, I find this very refreshing.

Now I currently rotate between two or three different good PUG since P3, so I can do what I want, when I want, with similar results I could experience with guidlies.

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When I did my rogues gear I knew it was competition for those slots so every whisper was informative that decent gear, got enchants but lacking X/Y/Z. but got full set of WBs. ← full set of WBs and i’ll inv a 500gs andy over a 1100gs epeener ANY day.

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I had a 1.1k geared person in a Naxx group, tell me a 980gs character, whisper “I don’t want to carry” and left before I was going to run Kara.

These add-ons have really messed things up.

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Yeah, Some people are dumb if they go to that extreme.

I’m more thinking gs 800 who try to join ”1k+” grps.

But if a 1100 freaks out over a 980 then the 1100 is in the wrong.

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Just to give you more context:

I had soft reserved an item he wanted X1
He soft reserved the item 3 times, wanted me to cancel my soft reserve, because “I don’t want to carry you and not be guaranteed the item if it drops” and then quit.

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Yes, That guy is a toxic weirdo and i’m baffled someone would act like that.

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The best bit is, the token dropped TWICE.

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yesterday a guy in a zg pug was demanding people who joined his raid had 1.1k gs “minimum”.

i happen to have that on my priest.
when i arrived at the raid i hover my mouse over the raid leader… who himself had 681gs - literally HALF the score he demanded of everyone else.

talk about outrageous.

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Im sure you made sure everyone in the raid got informed of his low gs?

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really?

People do gs for ZG?

Maybe these leaders are just dumb.

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of course. called him out immediately in raid chat and he just said “XD”

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hello small bump about the situation, the gatekeep is real

i am like half the community a returning player, not from phase 3 or 4, but from bwl phase ( my current gear https ://sixtyupgrades.com/sod/set/6eJfAB8UxqJXbFvkbSWoM7
) which is around 803 gs if you replace all the scarlet gear with tier 2 .

thats apparently not enough to join for AQ 20, KC or naxx or bwl
so the only reliable way to increase the wonderful gearscore is with fake gear like exalted hydraxian trinket, which is 65 gs compared to blackhand ( 63) :upside_down_face:

the gs mentality was very present in wotlk classic , but we had access to alpha/beta/gamma dungeons which gave access to every pieces of gear from naxx/ulduar/trial of crusader

right now SOD real gear is close to useless, you can get 4/8 tier 1 + 4/8 tier 2, maybe 1 weapon or trinket for 150 reals
no trinkets, no neck , no double weapon if you need 2 , no cloak
and if you buy everything from the real vendor, you will reach a wooping 700 gs !

so there are 3 solutions :
1- as always with classic content, be rich and buy a full raid boost and get 20 pieces in a raid , congratulation you skipped months of farm

2 - join or make a full guild with players similar to your gear( 700-800) , and start progressing bwl + aq20 like people did 6 months ago , after a few months once your raid is geared, you can start aq40 raid ( tuned for 20 players) , and KC
, after 3 months you can do the final raid :clap: ( if everyone is still there from the beginning )

3 - farm sanctified gear from invasion, a random epic piece , and buy the others at AH , farm an insane amount of components ( 27 x 2 insignas for 1 sanctified piece? )
or you can craft the new scarlet uniform gear, its easy you only need 1000 gold , piece of cake , do the weekly tier set shard and after 3 months you are ready to tackle the final raid :clap: , i forgot you need around 4500 remnants for being able to join naxx 0 to 'boost your stats by 22% ’ , heh that would be too hard with regular gear

anyhow, i dont know what blizzard expect people to catch up in this version/phase, i had no trouble finding groups in regular classic 2019/2020 with any class (except ret of course) , or wotlk ( farm gamma dungeons for 4500 gs and be invited to icc) , or retail ( farm delves then m0 then ready for m+ in a few days )

but thats funny because people like this person think you get invited to aq10 or kara with 850 gs , that was months ago i guess or you got carried by your guild .

here are some proofs because words are just words , i will bring more tomorrow :

https ://ibb.co/kVvMwYtv

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The situations I read here most common for toxic living flame server, never met a problem to get invite to AQ 10, ZG, MC, Nightmare groove and crystal vale with 770gs warrior on our cute wild growth, (just to mention, 770gs it’s already 69ilvl and it fits well to any of this encounters)

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I realy would like to go back to SoD and do the new scarlet raid. But i cant stand people that demande you need every thing and knows it all before it even exixt.