Maybe they should bring an LFR.
They can’t promote “Encouraging social engagement” then have 3rd party systems that work against that.
I’ve decided not to play the remainder of P2. If P3 is the same level of toxicity, I’ll just unsubscribe.
It’s a joke how they can’t implement a honest and fair way to get into a raid.
Why play at all if you can’t raid?
I’m not wasting hours of my evening anymore trying to form raids or get vetted to get in one.
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- join guild
- sign up for raid
- do raid at agreed upon time
It really isn’t that hard.
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Shift patterns make it hard. They raid every 3 days, I miss out on some days, now I got to figure out how I can make up for those missed days.
Explain to me the grey area in your black and white science.
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I work odd hours as well and it hasn’t been an issue I haven’t been able to handle. As a druid you can fill several roles so it shouldn’t be impossible for you to find a group. I get your complaint, pugging sucks and a lot of the people you will encounter while doing it are horrible in one or several ways. But LFR would be just as bad, the only difference being you’d get to the dungeon with less effort.
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Short answer. No.
Long answer, SoD is not retail, LFR makes raids lose their end game feel. Also they need to be dumbed down for the pug hordes that just wanna log in mash buttons get purps and logout. Its a step in the wrong direction.
Pugging on current servers isnt even hard, cant find a group? Start one. Or even better, join a guild! And never worry about pugging again
I work 3 shift system that makes each of my second week and each 3rd weekend impossible to play. Im still in a guild and I didnt miss much raids. You can always pug the reset when you cant make it to raid with guild.
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Being in a guild shouldn’t be required to raid normally
He clearly refers to the so-called logs. Logs are a plague, players fundamentally should not have the opportunity to track other people’s performance and results and use them as a filter for their raid team
And it isn’t. It is however the easiest way to not have to deal with the worst part of the community: the pug scene.
Logs aren’t the problem, and they are a pretty good way of determining if a person knows how to press his buttons or not. The problem is the perception of good and bad. A log which by definition is average, is viewed as far below that, as absolutely horrible. Only the top performers are actually viewed as average, and the best of the best are viewed as good.
You have the same problem with gear. Good enough isn’t actually good enough. Oh no, good enough is actually laughably bad. You have to have the best of the best to be considered average. Do you still need any gear from the raid? If the answer is yes then your gear isn’t good enough to do it.
The problem isn’t some third party site, or some addon, the problem is the community.
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Sounds like a skill and / or commitment issue on your part
Without logs you just get filtered by gear/runes etc instead. Do you not remember before logs were a thing there was “Inspecting people at the stormwind bank steps”, Achievements in later versions of wow. If there is a metric to Judge a players worth without watching them actually play, then most people will do that.
Gaming in general is far from what it was 5 years ago let alone almost 20.
Its far more accessible by basically everyone, mmos arent deemed as being only for “nerds” anymore and it brings in a lot more players from all different aspects, and when SoD has been reference by many as Season of dad gamers it widens the gap between avg casual and sweat.
I’m not saying that is a bad thing it just means the variance between player to player is a lot wider than it has been before and therefore you get some form of gatekeeping/screening process however you wanna call it, is the same thing.
This isn’t strict to wow either. Every mmo that i’ve played that has had content you could waste hours on by being in a bad group has had some form of gatekeeping.
This isn’t a wow problem, this is a gaming problem.
People value their time differently now a days, you just gotta accept that.
Join a guild, stop pugging.
I’ll keep it simple:
Join guild. Ask raid. Go raid.
They implement skills and abilities from other expansion.
But they cant make the game more time and raid friendly 
Okay so you do, and what about other peoples time? My schedule varies from day to day and im still in a guild, i raid when i have the time and get a spot. When not im joining or creating a pug. Beyond that i´ve got familymatters etc.
Why on earth when my time is limited would i be arsed to either bring or join you with your selfish mindset? Any time less i can spend in wow makes me spend more time with loved one and friends.
What if you miss you a lockout? What if you cant do everything you want? its a game god sake!
If it only were that simple.
Sometimes I have 2 hours to play before I have to be a responsible adult.
Tell me what game other than WoW requires you to waste so much time to play quite a significant part of the game?
you made the mistake of going feral druid on horde, where you vastly inferior to shammies. meanwhile, on the alliance you are prized and likely to get extra sr in raid and find groups instantly, since u are our only source of windfury
I host pugs of Gnomeregan on my main and join them on my alt since week 2 and have never had issues to complete a run.
This phase did make it way longer to find people or groups than phase 1 though. I guess there are several reasons for this such as mechanics actually being a thing on the last three bosses, less people playing, players taking longer to reach 40…
But even then, I’ve never missed a lockout.
If your timetable is strict, the best advice is what others have already said: join a guild or some kind of Discord that organizes pugs at specific hours that fit you.
Actually. I spent some time regearing to resto/Boomie.
So I post from a healer perspective.
What if instead of 2hours, it was 30min? Should the game bend to fit that 30 minute gap? Maybe make each boss and trash mob die to 1 hit so a person could do the raid (including forming group + travel) within those 30min?
Not a good argument.
If you don’t have time to play a game as time consuming as wow, then don’t make it sound like it’s the game’s fault
If life has changed for you to the point that you don’t have time to invest into a video game like wow then invest it in a different video game that doesn’t require the same kind of time commitment and scheduling.
My left hand got nerve damage from a work injury so I can no longer play top down games like Hotline Miami anymore because of it. It sucks but that’s life for me now. I had to move on from those kinds of games.
Maybe you need to do the same.