I’m newish to pvp but i’m curious as to why russians are in the battlegrounds with us, i mena the odd one or 2 individual players sure i could understand but entire teams. and why is it they always seem to absolutly slap us from start to finish. to be honest when i’ve been in bg’s most people when they see an all russian team just either leave or cancel the respawn. how is that balanced in any way shape or form? its not a dig just a question
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They have their own national pool which they share with Belarus, Ukraine, central asian countries and everyone else who speaks Russian. Just like the Germans or the French.
They are part of the european pool of players like every other nation.
If you lose to them often, you need to play better, for they are nothing special. Unfortunately, there are some rumors going around about how they are allegedly unbeatable or way more skilled than players from other pools. These rumors are false and act as a self fulfilling prophecy.
People think Russians are unbeatable, therefore they don’t put effort in. They lose because of this, and the fact that they lose reinforces their wrong views about Russian players.
The issue is not the Russians. It’s the people who wine about Russians instead of playing the game. The Russians themselves are just players like everyone else.
The solution is not paying attention to the nationality of your opponents and just focusing on playing the objectives.
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battlegrounds in general is a utter mess right now, because of solo shuffle no experienced healer but double healer 5 stacks joins battlegrounds atm. Therefore every game will be a stomp since it will be alt newcomer healers vs experienced healers. 1 in 20 games you get 1 experienced healer for the most part its not playable. Atleast from a melee perspective. Most games will be 1 healer for 15 people most of the time.
Normal BGs are still better than EBGs, where you are likely to run into Zado and his cronies on a daily basis. He was online in the early afternoon already today so I stopped queuing until the evening. He really does ruin the EBG experience.
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tbh worst part is I CAN’T SPELL THEIR NAMES X’D
no one plays ebgs its a mode filled with 200k hp players give it a rest 75% are bots in majority of cases.
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As Fistus already mentioned, it’s not Russians but Russian speaking people. Just like not everyone who is “speaking” English is from England.
The reason why they win more is simply because EU players insta give up against them. I just had a BG on my alt against Russian speaking people and a guy claimed it’s a pre-made yet he couldn’t give a single valid reason why he thinks that. He threw empty phrases like “look at the servers” and well… in a 10 people bg there were people from 4 different servers, meanwhile they already have way less servers than us and just like us they have their servers which are more popular. So this "argument was already pure bs.
It’s just easier to find excuses instead of accepting reality and admit you have to play better. The east block guys have simply a different mentality but obviously not all of them are the same, so you win some and you lose some. The main issue is our community not theirs.
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The big problem with the Russians, which they don’t care to admit, is that they were extremely well known for using every single exploit possible in the game, every kind of bot or hack you could thing of. Some of the things I’ve seen over the years defies the laws of physics when it comes to Russians in BG’s. Add that to the fact that they are all in their own pool of players makes a lot of people automatically assume they are premade and so they just give up.
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Well, that’s bs and that’s the entire point. People need to tell that themselves in order to feel better. Besides the fact that I personally barely saw any cheating at all, if I saw anyone they were always from French servers. Yet I still wouldn’t call everyone a cheater who is playing on French servers, that’s just dumb. That’s just some individual and you can’t even tell who a guy really is just because he is playing on server X…
In fact most people evidently using hacks who got caught on video are not from Russian servers.
I was a few times in a random BG where someone claimed some Russian guy is hacking. But it turned out the guy lacks the very basic game knowledge.
Wdym? So are we? lol…
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It’s not bs in the slightest, there were times, way way back, when the BG’s were riddled with Russians, using all kinds of weird hacks. Either you weren’t around to see it or you had your eyes closed. Not saying it’s solely Russians that exploit the game but they were massively well known for it. Not saying it’s still occurring but mud sticks.
Yes, we are in our own pool, but the point was that because they are separated from us and in their own pool, it gives the illusion to a lot of players that they are a premade, simply because they are all Russian. Making them quit in their heads before the gates even open. That is the fault of our pool of players though, the mentality of our pool is to completely ignore objectives and never defend the nodes that give you points, not focusing on flags whatsoever and generally just mindlessly trying to kill players in the middle of nowhere. Got to admire the Russians in that respect cos they are laser focused on the objectives that actually win you the game.
premades are very well known to be often exploits, cheats, hacks, glitches, and so on, anyone who has a little background in gaming knows this, and wow was no different, from the gold selling of HKS farming trial accounts in crossroads graveyard the barrens, to “not losing rating because they are russians” during mop
i played a game at 4250 mmr with only me, another guy and rest was russians during mist of pandaria,a nd it goes on and on and on, if anything they earned that reputation of being premades and exploiters over the years, and VERY often in m+ the russian guy will be the wildcard just leaving randomly or dcing and never reconnecting and so on, im sorry but often if i can, i avoid playing with them, it has nothing to do with offline politics, it has to do with my experience as a sweaty tryhard playing 16/20 hours a day for the past 17 years
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My personal experience, in BGs, raids and M+. I see those letters:
I write +, they write +. I write 1, they write +. We all leave a winner.
Also, the instant m+ and raid invites I get is a huge boon 
Great people!
Are there any reason to believe there is a skillgap or that they cheat in BGs? No, there is not. They are no better or worse than your average player. I dare to guess they got less ‘quiters’ though. Less of the “Guys, we lost, they took one base, everyone AFK, I want to go next!” - yeah, those lill’ bastardinos. That could be because they don’t type it out - maybe they got the same weak mentality, but I don’t see it in chat 
So, meh?
The second stereotype, the quiter, that there is the main reason you will lose a BG. That second type is also the ones who often go ‘It is not me, it them cheating - they are all premade - my team is all noobs and hopeless - insert random noise excuses’.
I don’t think I need to go into more detail on the matter.
If you take away anything, let it be this: If you lose in WoW random BGs, it is not because they are from A, B or C. It is not because your team is from X, Y or Z. If you lose it is likely because of quitters. Just do your best to not become on of them - ok?
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Well we don’t know who played more, you or more but I definitely can not confirm this, nor any of my friends who played back then. What can I confirm tho is the incompetence of maaaany … let’s call them casuals. Claiming someone is hacking, doesn’t mean nor prove he is hacking.
Or maybe I understood there is no hacking?
As I said earlier, they are not known for it, it’s just EU players spreading that because they insta give up and need an excuse. Most people simply don’t want to admit they are bad, so they need something that’s not under their control.
What I heard is that Russian speaking players were cheating a lot in games like CS. Now I am not a fan of shooters, so idk. What I do know that it’s way easier to cheat/hack in CS than it is in WoW. What I also do know is that like 90%+ of people (if not even more) don’t even have basic PvP knowledge in WoW, so ye… as I said earlier, some people think someone is cheating just because they got stunned twice… not even kidding, this happened literally. So your claims without any actual evidence means nothing.
Ye, victim mentality.
Most EU people have an actual different mentality. Russian speaking people are indeed very social. That’s something the regular EU brain can’t comprehend. This is also exactly the reason why some east block groups look like they are pre made, meanwhile they are not. They simply play WoW as it was intended and as even we played it back then… COMMUNICATING with each other and not just smashing the face against the keyboard. Can really be viewed as cheating… I know… it’s almost magic.
I’d honestly argue they are, simply because their communication is better. It’s part of the mentality and part of it having way less servers. Back then when we didn’t have cross server stuff, people knew each other on the server and if you were a decent player (and human being), you’d get invited faster and people actually tried their best, since they respected your time and didn’t want to waste it and they also knew you are doing the same. That’s a bit how it is for Russian speaking players now. If you will be always an absolute donkey, they will treat you as one. And everyone knows, playing WoW alone is not fun. Especially not in a community which values being social much more than ours.
And another fun fact: We all know people who are on English servers but are not from GB. Why? Because they don’t want to play with their “own” people. Myself included. Now let that sink in.
I think part of the problem is that many Western European players just want to unwind and have fun in BGs. They don’t care about objectives and don’t want to be told what to do. That inevitably hurts the rest of the team against opposition that is more objective-orientated.
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I’ll make this my last reply to you because you are clearly delusional and extremely naive to not have noticed the ABSOLUTELY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS hacks that the RUssians used to use. These weren’t someone simply misunderstanding the game, players flying thru the air, merging into walls and many other crazy things that many, many people witnessed as well as the good old one shot script bots and auto interrupt hacks. If you think these weren’t happening, then you are an idiot. Anyway, enough of your crap for me cheers.
You keep yelling that, yet you have literally no proof. If I’d ask you which hacks you are talking about, you’d probably come up with kickbot and… ? Do you even know which hacks existed for WoW? Do you understand how rare that is? It’s not me being delusional, it’s just you refusing to accept reality in order to feel better.
Where is your proof to that? Because every time someone said someone is cheating, I asked how exactly and checked it myself and it turned out to be the guy simply lacking basic PvP knowledge. How you claim otherwise with literally no evidence whatsoever?
This is called rubberbanding and happens to everyone. It even happened to my mates on my screen, yet they are not cheating…
Lmao… With this statement you have proven you clearly played so much less than me and don’t know much about WoW.
And there you go throwing out your superficial knowledge not understand what you are talking about because you recently saw some youtube videos about the interrupt script.
But interesting how you are convinced only “Russians” do that lmao… meanwhile the majority of players caught in-game and on video are not “Russians”. How do you explain that? I thought “Russians” are clearly the cheating majority, how come it’s not them who are being caught and banned all the time? Hm?
I told you that abusing shady stuff in WoW is a very rare thing, which is a fact and it’s another fact it’s not being “Russians all the time”… you literally have not one actual argument nor any evidence… all you have is “everyone knows that” meanwhile those “everyone” are scrubs who lack basic PvP knowledge… how about your knowledge? Link with your main account because if that’s all what I see, then you are one of those, which is exactly the reason why you fail to provide actual evidence and throw around your empty phrases.
TLDR:
Another whiny complaint with nothing to back it up. You guys need to man up and throw this victim mentality out of the window. Admit you are bad, get more knowledge, improve and then enjoy the gains.
For the rest, I dare you, back up your claims. If those “evil Russians” are hacking so much, go ahead, record it and share it. Most people know that the reason nobody is backing up these claims, simply because nothing happened there.
one of the things that tilts me the most off is
- people who are clueless and try to present counter argument
- people who do abuse stuff the same way and support the system by lying
u r one of those 2.
the guy above is right making that his last statement, we have fought with ppl like you on the forum for years, nothing comes out of it, u r either just clueless af, or you do cheat yourself and try to undermine the credibility of people pointing out
generally, its always the first, being clueless.
If you witness hacks in the game, please do report them to Hacks@Blizzard.com this is their offical email to report such issues as found here: Blizzard Support - Want to Report an Exploit or Hack (battle.net)
As the article says:
- Remember to explain clearly and in detail what, who and when.
- If able, link screenshots, videos or any other evidence you might have acquired
Blizzard do take these very seriously.
So if you do see a whole team of people, or worse yet, so many people hacking all the time “that everyone knows it”, do the bare minimum - video it and send it in. Then if you feel like blizzard is doing nothing, make a stink. YouTube videos with proof goes a long way to get the public eye on it - link it to some content creators for more eyeballs.
Don’t be the guy who sees hacks and exploits, and just whine about it on the forum. Take action!
Best of luck!
There seems to be a lack of ability to correctly read in here, I haven’t said that Russians are cheating, I said they were very well known for it, previously and that is why they have such a bad reputation. Asking for evidence is a little ridiculous, considering these were from years ago but at the time all the evidence was constantly reported in game, hence all the banwaves that started to take place and hence the fact that you see very little if any hacking now. How about you all provide evidence that there wasn’t any blatant use of bots hacks and any cheat they could find? See how that works?
Every single online game has its hackers and exploiters and in every one of those games you have the hackers denying all knowledge and blaming it on the other people’s abilities to deflect from their own very poor gameplay.
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flat out cheating/hacking, nowdays extremely rare, easily detectible, and permanently banned
exploiting glitches and bugs, or simply 40man sync premade, very known thing that happens everyday.
i haven’t seen someone flyhack in years, but 40man sync premades for epic bg, have being streame don twitch constantly… even their discord is farily easy to access, so yeah, ud have to live under a rock to not know those things, no offense meant.