guy’s the whole point is survival is class fantasy being both melee and range had it’s advantages and disavantages it realy is atm in in current form the best class to play in my opinion.
survival is exciting and thrilling to actualy play those who play it constantly engage how the class responds to yourself in all encounters i know it’s a weird thing to say but it’s practicaly true if you want to be a beastmaster hunter and let your pet’s chew on a target thats great if you want to just shoot something with bow and gun thats all great less engaging in the game, but if you want attack your target send your pet in fight side by side disengage from combat while your pet is fighting switch to bow and shoot switch back hapron it’s a thrilling way to play the game
some people try and hate as there used to shooting something myself i find very boring but survival gives me some excitement to play sure the numbers could be better here’s a few thought how it can be a little better.
flanking strike lower the cooldown and increase it range.
as for a defensive i would like to actualy see in the game a pvp talent that allows your pet to actualy assist you ie increase dodge chance,or the old deterance.
let your pet or talent to bring some utility to group.
to be honest if they brough back the old survival i would question myself if i wanted to play it as find just shooting something not very fun, survival bring a little though how to play encounts and pvp it’s no just point and shoot.
I wasn’t around in Legion so I don’t know exactly how it was at the time. However, if I had to guess why it wasn’t picked as often, and could be one of the reasons why it still isn’t that much picked, is because people are used to the idea of Hunters being ranged and thus gravitate more towards the ranged specs, specially in Legion when people had just lost RSV for this new melee spec most hunters probably weren’t really into, but I could very much just be wrong on my view.
Well I agree, one doesn’t need to go to have the other. I did play old SV in WotLK and I really liked it too, I would also be happy if it returned in some form as a 4th spec, but not as a replacement for current SV.
Well, the most likely reason for why so few hunters are playing MSV is because of it’s focus on melee-combat. This is something which Ion repeated in an interview as well.
He also said that their goal with SV, and turning into a melee-spec, wasn’t necessarily for it to be aimed at then-current hunters, but rather players outside of the class. Players who prefer said melee-combat but at the time were playing other classes/specs.
The problem there was that those players, most of them, had no intentions to switch to SV as, it doesn’t offer pretty much anything that they can’t already get from other melee-specs. Some select few did ofc switch to it, but far fewer than what the devs probably expected.
So, essentially, the only thing they really accomplished there, was forcing prior SV-players out of the spec, all for the sake of “distinguished identities”.
Makes sense. Me personally I always liked the idea of a melee Hunter, to the point that in WotLK I ended up doing a melee build for SV, ofc it wasn’t good but was fun while questing etc. So when I came in BfA and saw SV melee I was quite happy.
However, I get it, I understand the people unhappy with it.
not sure … if your dream come true, i don’t think Blizz bring back the same iteration of SV wotlk, Mop etc … or need to rework others specs too.
Who knows ? …
so for the moment, it’s not perfect but i enjoy my MSV spec.
Mm/Bm = zzzzz
Blizzard are not going to give pure dps classes 4 specs anytime soon. So it’s either ranged or melee SV. And the vast majority (by miles) want it to be ranged.
This. I haven’t played survival before so I’m in no position to tell people this version is better. But I can say that I’m having so much fun pvp’ing as survival. Harpooning, throwing grenades, keeping pressure from a distance and then suddenly going into melee to pummel them, becoming ranged and kiting a melee if he’s hitting me too hard etc. I hope they add a 4th spec if they wanna go back to ranged only.
I miss the rsv spec as well, but I don’t want to see msv go.
Not for me, not for anyone.
I like msv for questing and world pvp.
But it’s a mistake that blizz made, iff they wanted to have a melee spec for hunter,
they should just have made a 4th spec in stead of removing a popular spec back in the days.
Playing mm is rather boring to wait on a 2.4s cast that hits like a wet noodle.
Rsv was mobile and a dot spec that made great use of traps,
people saying that it doesn’t fit in the current game are just wrong.
Because iff you play some classes, they didn’t changed a lot since wod.
I think the easiest way to implement RSV back would be through talent choices of Marksman tree. Just make the first talent tree row to choose out of different tool kits. One talent for current stay still “sniper style” gameplay with Aimed shot and something baked into with it. One a dotter style with old explosive shot/b-arrow/ lnl. Last one could be with the old Chimera shot which didnt do “aoe” damage and something minor added to it. Also could lock this talent row so that it could not be changed other than visiting a class trainer. Ofcourse knowing Blizzard it would probably mean that they would prune abilities like Scatter/Bursting shot/Freezing trap etc behind one these talents which is not something I’d like to see.
I’m sorry but I’m more than tired of people asking SV to be ranged again.
You want ranged, stay in MM or BM. I’m more than enjoying playing SV melee, and even if SV still need a lot of revision, making it ranged is out of the equation.
If you don’t enjoy SV being melee, we also play SV because we don’t wanna deal with Ranged, not the regular melee classes. SV has its unique touch and it is the main reason I play it.
I’m sorry again, but it is very annoying to see people trying the current SV for 1 hour, didn’t get their hand on it, getting back to MM or BM and coming here crying to get SV ranged again.
A vast majority still doesn’t justify the deletion of a spec. Survival offers a fantasy that the game sorely lacks and no other spec offers. Why should it completely go away in favor of a spec that can basically be described as “marksman without aimed shot”?
I like the msv a lot and i rather play that than any other melee in the game.
But still i want the rsv back as well, you can’t do anything to mm that it will eventually look like rsv.
Because mm is just about hardcasting and not about dots and traps.
Iff they wanted a melee hunter they should just have given a 4th spec and not delete the most fun ranged spec i played.
Bm is focused on the pets so you can’t change anything up so it looks like rsv.
I don’t like mm and bm, I even get bored with it when i play it for an hour.
But still i am forced to play bm or mm when i want to play a ranged class.
No spec should be deleted in the game, only added to it.
This is the best thing we can take out of this RSV vs MSV discussions. Deleting specs, or key features of certain specs, is a bad decision. I mean, some Demo Locks are still salty about Meta, and rightly so.
I hope they eventually bring back RSV as a 4th spec, so everybody can be happy.
Well back in the day Hunter did use melee weapons as well but it was only a very very small part of what the Hunter was about. We used our melee weapons because sometimes we were forced into melee, not because we prefered being in melee. If he used melee as his main weapon, he was not a Hunter. Classes using melee are called Warriors, Rogues etc… If Lor’themar used sword as his main weapon he simply wasn’t a Hunter.
Yes you are absolutely 100% right. In my wow Hunters are ranged, period! Im never gonna accept anything else then ranged as a Hunter. To me, someone who plays Survival is not a Hunter. What if they made a ranged Warrior specc would that still be a Warrior? No because Warriors are melee.
Im aware that some of the things I say might come of as strange or simple-minded but that is how strong I feel in the matter. Blizzard robbed me of my favorite specc and made into a melee specc, completely deleted the specc I used to love and made it into something it was never meant to be. There are so many melee speccs in the game to chose from. Why did they have to make one of the three Hunter speccs into yet another melee specc? Wasn’t there enough melee speccs already? A person that prefers playing a ranged class is rarely gonna main melee/Survival Hunter.
Hunter is a unique class in the meaning that it’s a ranged class but it’s not a caster per say. We used to have three speccs of this unique playstyle, now we have two. How many melee speccs do we have? I will never understand why they thought it would be a good idea to make one of these three unique ranged speccs into yet another melee specc. To me it just doesn’t make sence…at all.
Im rambling I know but this is what I feel. This is my oppinion. You and anyone else are completely free to disagree with me. Im just stating what I think.
I never said he was, did you read what I said? He is a Ranger, which is one of the fantasies that are part of the Hunter class. You have the class, and you have the fantasies it represents, like Sniper/Gun man, Beast Master, Ranger, etc…
Lor’themar happens to be one of the rangers that are melee. Another example of a mainly melee ranger, from another fantasy would be Aragorn from LotR (which partially inspired my mog btw).
I mean the fantasy aspect of the game, I couldn’t care less about (I mean I like the main story lines and such but I would never dig into it really deep).
You are one of these fantasy nerds (no offence, nerding out can sometimes be a good thing but often doesn’t contribute alot to the root of the discussion) who come and says "but there once was this guy named this and that who once used a sword and he was a ranger and rangers are a part of the Hunter class fantasy etc etc. and therefor Hunters should play like this or that (when we are discussing gameplay).
I fell in love with the Hunter because of it’s gameplay mainly, not because of it’s fantasy mainly.
Well then there is a divergence between us, I fell in love with it because of gameplay but also because of the fantasy, it’s the combination of both.
And also to add something I forgot in my previous reply, in my WoW Hunters are more than anything guys that adapt to the enviroment and their needs/preferences, that’s why we have so many tools/tricks like the traps, feign death, cammo, misdirection, and so on. One of the adaptations/needs a hunter/ranger/whatever might want/need could be the usage of melee weapons so it makes a lot of sense to me.
I understand your point of view, but we are clearly seeing things from different points of view.
It is simply a wrong opinion though. The ranger/hunter has traditionally been melee as much as ranged, sometimes even more so. Both from a reality point of view (as real life people hunted with spears as well as bows) and a gaming point of view (as in D&D, from where most RPGs, including WoW, draw heavily, the ranger has been equally capable of using both types of weapon for about 50 years now, and that has followed through to most RPGs since then). WoW is the exception in that, not the rule.
This strange notion that the hunter is ONLY someone who uses ranged weapons, and the even stupider notion that anyone who dares use a melee weapon is automatically not a hunter is a completely personal bias that you have. It falls to you to realise that and open up your mind instead of demanding everyone else conform to your version of reality.
Stating that it’s “your opinion” doesn’t absolve you from the responsibility of changing it if it’s based on an assumption that is completely false. Or if you realise your insulting opinion is wrong and still insist on it, maybe you should just keep it to yourself.
I am sorry Blizzard deleted the spec you liked, that was wrong of them. But please remove your head from your posterior, stop thinking that anything that wields a melee weapon is a Warrior and appreciate the unique fantasy we offer.