SoD need a change in how rarer loot is handled. It is a seasonal game mode, with short phases where you are lucky to get 8 runs of a raid in before it’s time to move on.
During AQ my raid team had 1 Tank Warrior, 2 Duel Wield Warriors, 1 2H Warriors, 2 Ret Paladins, 1 Sword Rogue and 1 Dagger Rogue. We also had some guildies join us from outside the team fairly regularly including another Ret Paladin and a Melee Hunter.
During this phase have seen 1 AQR (from a hardmode chest) and 1 KR (which only dropped this week). No Dagger, no DEoI, no more AQR our of the 4/5 we needed.
This was made worse by our 0 drops for CTS in BWL as well (as we did optional runs of BLW many more weeks after AQ launched, so no drop!). Not to mention haven’t seen a single Brutality Blade and only 2 Right Claws (out of the 4 we needed) in about 25+ MC clears, 0 bindings, 1 eye but that was only a few weeks ago.
This is a seasonal game mode, which characters that will get deleted, yes you want to make getting rare items feel good, but if you are like us, the RNG on tiny drop rates and left most of us with a sour taste and although the sunken cost fallacy has kicked in so we will stick around until the end, we almost all plan to end our subs and not return for future seasonal content post SoD.
Looking at Naxx, 2H Weapons are lacking with Might of Menethil being completely useless for every class in the game, pushing more of us towards the already limited 1H weapon choice increasing the contest while expecting not to get any drops anyway.
This is the last chance for SoD to prove that WoW might still be worth playing and as it stands, Naxx is going to be about round of depressing loot.
Random tiny drop chances in a fast pace phase based game mode sucks.
I’ve asked around in different class discords, we are not the only team to end up like this for almost the entire length of SoD since P1. I had to live through everyone complaining about Warriors being OP in P1 because of that 2H sword, I was stuck with a healing mace until Gnoma.
RNG is naturally unfair, at least in vanilla there where 4-6 months between tiers to try and get something, 8 week with just as low drop chances is dumb.
I dont think its possible to control RNG when it comes to raid drops, you could increase the amount of loot dropped from each boss. But i dont think that would be accepted by some (people dont want loot pinata for some reason).
Some are lucky, some arent. But it looks like your gear wont matter to much when it comes to naxx, so atleast thats something.
You don’t need to control RNG, just remove the long term RNG reliance on rare items. We have 8 week long phases, I don’t think people would be angry if we let them buy 1 rare item with some raid version of reals on week 6 or just increase the drop rates from day 1. They added the extra loot roll to C’Thun after many complaints about not getting weapons or chest tokens, no one would have complained if they had launched with that.
Playing an RPG with no rewards we after week is pointless. We have people without their 4 set still after raiding every week, a rogue who has never had a BiS weapon since phase 1, at this point it’s just depressing.
Also, at least for Warriors and I assume for most other classes, Naxx is even more gear reliant as the small upgrades get multiplied. 2H Fury requires 1 specific weapon to be viable (3/4k DPS less with second BiS), we need really a specific gear set up, second to BiS in any slot is dropping 1/2k DPS with a maxed out trinket (not counting dropping sanctified gear).
Don’t mean to rant on the forums, but honestly we have all put a lot of time into SoD like a lot of people, but it’s looking really bleak going into Naxx.
Yet another “give us free items becuase we cant stand RNG” this game is build upon RNG, I have done Ruins 2 times a week since AQ came out, I still havent seen the OH drop from Moam yet, even how frustrating that are and that I am so done with the dungeon I keep running it without wanting to be able to go to a vendor to get it, then what is the purpose of raiding?
Yes its a seasonal thing but even Anniver servers are kinda fast phased now too if TBC coming out within a year of the launch. Its not meant that you should be able to reach 100% BIS each phase and some guilds see alot of rare items when some dont, I wonder whats thats called again… RNG maybe?
You should’ve been here, when the tryhards found out that people doing Heat 1 in mc, got the same ilvl loot as those who did H3 Some people (a loud minority i guess), want to gatekeep some loot. They cant stand casuals getting bis.
Yes, i completely agree. But i assume you are going after absolute bis? I dont think you can request/require to be full bis, there are alot of items out there that are close.
Dont get me wrong, there are ofc some items that are “must have”. I just feel like the majority complains about not being absolute bis, like its a human right.
Yeah, i understand. I got lucky, i’ve been full bis (except neck which is second bis) for a few weeks. But i talk to guildies etc who goes weeks without loot, and i do feel your pain.
I dont mind this at all, i wouldnt mind being able to buy X item with some currency. But if we are doing this, we gotta include pretty much everything on the loot table. Tiers/trinkets/weapons/rings/neck.
Why should YOUR trinket be more important than MY neck for instance (just an example).
For the record im no tryhard pve, those days are over. I have no problem with making the pve-scene a lootfest and alt friendly. The majority want loot and a chill raid (hehe, pun on naxx). And i dont mind if each boss drops 10-15 items.
I’ve never once said full BiS, but some items are key to a class being played. We are not a hardcore guild pushing parses. We are people with busy lives who choose to spend a large part of our free time on a limited time seasonal game mode which we enjoy and yet feel screwed over month after month. My team has 4 warriors, the idea that all of us would hit full BiS would be insane, but 1 AQR? no DEoI, 2 of our warriors dont even have the chest token yet.
I didn’t say “go to a vendor and buy full BiS”, but damn try playing a warrior without ever getting a weapon and getting dodge parried every 2 or 3 attack of C’Thun because it is scaled to have expertise that we just can’t get. We cans till kill it ofc nothing in SoD is even remotely difficult, but it feels bad to play. Just 1 item, every class has something important each phase (normally weapons for melee characters). And I am not just talking about warriors or myself.
I hate seeing people I have raided with every week for over a year getting burned out having getting screwed every single phase vastly worse than I have. It’s depressing to your friends lose all motivation to play something we have enjoyed together for so long.
And what is the purpose? There is none, it’s a game that will be gone and your character deleted or transferred to dead era servers with none of the loot probably within in the next 6 months. Then what? Look back at all the times you did the same thing over and over and didn’t get anything for it? Just wasted time?
I get some people want the grind, or some people want other to suffer through it because they did it, and that was cool when each phase was 6 months long so you have hope and loot councils and the game felt hard on our old 140p monitors and our 100 kilibit internet. But now it is an easy game, friends playing, trying to play well, maybe giving parsing a bit of a try and doing the same thing for months with nothing to show for it. It’s sad.
Yeah this is my biggest point, so often there is like 1 or 2 items that are more important than others. For Casters it might be a trinket, normally weapons for melee, or a proc thing for healers etc.
The idea that someone would get upset over everyone getting 1 items to use in the last 1 or 2 raids of a phase is honestly insane to me. It’s like they enjoy getting their time wasted.
It’s seasonal with no rewards, no seasonal rewards to show off later, nothing, at the end it will all be gone forever, and so far my raid teams memories of this time will be hitting our heads on a wall and watching people drop off after a year of playing together. I just want my entire team to have a good time!
I saw the Scepter of the False Prophet, healing mace, drop just once. The extra weapon drop they added didn’t help with it at all since it’s usually an Ancient Qiraji Reaper or Sharpened Silithid Femur every time.
The way I understood the extra weapon drop was supposed to be from the C’thun weapon drop “pool”. Seems not, in reality.
The way SoD is progressing it was inevitable for some people to go through a raid tier and not see certain items/weapons drop. It sucks, but it’s a problem as old as the game, only made worse by the SoD blitzing through content.
No but what do you think would happen then if you open up this can of worm? It wouldnt stay on 1 item… And you prob have stuff from last phase you can go with, yeah its not as good due to there is new bis weapons, but it should never be able to take out the RNG to be able to get items. Thats just crazy! Then you can go and play on a Private server with “Fun settings” on where you can go to a vendor and get what you like.
Unlucky for your guild, but come down to reality for a second, thats how the game works and should work.
You dont need to be a hardcore guild and alot of ppl have busy lives but thats not a excuse to get free stuff, I dont understand how you can be this entitled YOU guys with you limited time to play CHOOSE to play this gamemode. Noone forced you, so if this dont suite you, go and play something else.
Again, what do you think would happen if we open up that can of worms?
Poor little thing never getting a weapon, I guess you sitting on a blue dungeon weapon then, oh no, you have Ashkandi, still a decent weapon even if there is upgrades in AQ 100%…
If you get burned out becuase you dont getting the item(s) you need a reality check, yes we all raid to get loot, but if you raiding with ppl for over a year you go in there to not only get loot but for the social aspect aswell with just have fun playing with the ppl around you, but getting burned out becuase you dont get your weapon is insane.
Again I have been screwed over in Ruins this whole phase and I have been able to do Ruins double as much times I could do Temple and I still dont have the OH or the cloth wrist from Ruins, it sucks and I totally get your frustation I really do but I wouldnt want a easy way to get it, eaither it drops or it dosent, WHEN it drops I gonna feel a bigger achivement then going to a vendor to achive it becuase I couldnt get it to drop
Well I have some news for you, our characters will not be deleted, they wont get transferred to a era server due to the runes and the items thats been updated and we dont know how long they will go with SOD but the devs have said, we players can decide what we want, they are even open for the idea to push SOD into TBC if the playerbase want that, or if we want updates and new content. Naxx wont be the last raid tho, we already know that, and with them upgrading SOD to the wrath client there could be alot more in store for us then anyone of us can guess.
Is it wasted time tho? If you build a friendship along the way? Is pixels in a game that important for you that you cant sleep at night? Really? Then I am sorry to tell you but then we have a bigger problem then RNG not beeing on your side.
But WoW is a grind, the more you write the more it just sounds like WoW is not a game for you, its excuses on excuses on excuses, comon wake up!
Okay well I assume you are just rage baiting rather than making any point here. Or you are reading 5 words and then writing a huge reply.
I literally agree with you in any normal situation. Back in Vanilla or Classic I would have said the same, I play other games like OSRS, and I would make the same arguments over there.
But this is a limited time game mode, it has 8 week phases compared to vanillas 30+ week tiers. I don’t believe it is going into TBC and even if it is, the amount of rework that would be required to facilitate the class changes (not to mention half the runes are just TBC mechanics shoved into Vanilla), it would basically be a full reset and brand new game just starting at level 60.
You have also hyper focused on me, when I repeatedly say I care about my raid team and my friends, yeah I have Ashkandi, but my rogues got trash, one of our warriors went into AQ40 in dungeon weapons before grinding out Rank 14 just to stay relevant, and his rewards? Stuck in BLW/MC gear, no 4 set bonus. I’m 2 items from full BiS, so stop locking onto me.
Also the coins for 1 item was 1 idea, I’m not the game designer here, the devs are, I leave it up to them to look at improving the drop mechanics in the way they think is best if they decide to.
In addition, for most of us this is the 3rd or 4th time playing this game, we are over elitism, we want to have fun, we want our team to be rewarded for their time, we want to give parsing a go for giving us a bit more of an objective.
If you want to keep running the same content for no reason repeatedly be my guest, but I think you are in the minority here and these forums our for our feedback. So I’ll put you down as a No on the idea and lets leave it at that.
Haha what? Rage baiting without making any points? You funny little
Make up your mind, am I not making any points or am I? Becuase now you can agree with me in “normal situations”?!
Everything is limited tho, even in retail things are limited, why? Becuase there will be a new phase, there will be a new expansion etc. Even how short the phases are, we shouldnt ignore how the game are. No matter how long or short phases are becuase we get more drops from bosses overall then in “normal situations”.
You made the thread and its you I am discussion with, I am sorry I dident “focus” on someone else I am not having a convo with…
But you are the one on the forum crying about it, not your guild mate, comon!
We getting more loot then normal anyway so if your guilde havent got any loot at all you might wanna look over your lootsystem at this point.
Oh you wanna have fun? Still pixel is your biggest worry instead of the “fun” element? Its not my first rodeo in this game eaither so dont worry about that.
Are you a swiper aswell? Becuase then I would agree I am in the minority becuase I never ever in this game buyed gold or though it would in anyway be easier to get items.
And what make you think I am an minority by thinking like this? 95% of the community are not even on the forums.
And another question, “If you want to keep running the same content for no reason repeatedly be my guest”, but when Naxx comes out we wouldnt be doing AQ, why would we? We go to the current content just like your guild, so this make no sense at all to say
Okay, we’ve devolved into personal attacks. Simply put, me, my friend and my team would like improved loot chances in a seasonal game mode. If you don’t, that’s cool. But there is no discussion here, I’ve said my piece, you’ve said yours, I think everything you say is wrong, and you think the same about me. Okay cool.
I think there is more demand for my point of view, and I am advocating on behalf of others who I have had long conversation with on the topic.
I’ve played this game for almost 18 years, I have never once engaged with RMT and never will, RMT encourages botting making it harder to earn gold in game, it’s dumb. I want the game itself to be rewarding and I feel that the current state of SoD is not rewarding for a large portion of players given its short time frame.
There really isn’t anything else to say and I am really not as emotionally invested in this as you are. I simply think my approach is more logical and will allow the majority of players to enjoy the game more and retain a higher player count in SoD and leave better memories that may bring more people back for future seasons.
Me saying you are a clown is not a personal attack but fine!
Maybe they should like or comment they agree with this then, I can say I have talked to the entire server and they agreeing with me but that dosent make it true. Also it helps YOUR agrument if they did so Blizzard would see how many just want a vendor for items Guess at this point we can just add an lvl up NPC aswell
I do agree on the bot part but you want the game to be rewarding by just getting loot? SoD is rewarding and there is alot more loot dropping then normal, thats how the balancing the short phases.
emotionally invested? Well you are invested in it due to even making the topic, but hey, keep deflecting, you seem to be very good on that!
Some people (a loud minority i guess), want to gatekeep some loot. They cant stand casuals getting bis.
YOU guys with you limited time to play CHOOSE to play this gamemode. Noone forced you, so if this dont suite you, go and play something else.
