Personally I think the problem is that the core gameplay loop doesn’t introduce you to potions in general. Imagine all the new players never having heard of flasks…
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“jUst GiT gUd”
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I’m not arguing that the fight was not difficult, but I would categorize it as just the right amount of difficult. The mechanics that overlapped were usually DPS mechanics and healing mechanics, which IMO is fine. It turned parts of the fight into a DPS-check AND a heal-check. Bosses that are either really focused on dps-check or heal-check is usually not very enjoyable to me. It required a lot of coordination, but not to the extent that it was unpuggable like some previous raid-tiers, that punished lack of proper comms heavily.
Yeah that is not true at all.
It highly depends on strat your own roster how you deal with the mechanics and more.
Just simply being a class without a freedom can be bad if you do not get help.
It is also a fact that Heroic rasz is easier than mythic eranog mythic council and if you can comfortably kill heroic Rasz you can also kill terros it just requires a bit of teamwork and people actually going for single target dps.
Shadowlands is a hard outlier of difficulty before shadowlands getting Aotc even in a pug was possible day 1 or day 2 of the raid releasing for people who did higher content normally this is not the case anymore.
But i will hard disagree that sylvanas is harder then this fight that is just wrong.
You’re right and the problem is even bigger. Even after defeating Raz hc people simply CBA to go mythic. After a few attempts, heroic Raz is a satisfying, straightforward, yet focus-demanding fight. The problem is that the game has changed, times have changed. The audience did change completely.
It’s not about making it all easier or nerfing to oblivion. Small steps, instead of 1-2-3 (…) 7-warcraft temporary folder.
they wont.
they make way to much $$$$ from people buying gold from them to buy AoTC boosts.
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“boss is piss easy”
how about log on your main so we can see if you actually killed him
go back to classic, clown.
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No. The numbers comparing the kills were made at the same time relative to release.
The current raid status quo defenders basically lie and gaslight to make their points. It is even worse because tiers in Legion, BFA and Sylvanus with ridiculous domination Shards all had long term ways to outgear the content whilst this raid has none.
This is another pro-forum move employed by the raid difficulty defenders.
Pretend like raiding exists in a vacuum. Almost like difficulty and rewards should be connected? And that if something is much more difficult than the reward it provides it is overtuned?
The same goes for borrowed power and the relationship between raiding and M+ gearing. Sadly it is in the interest of the current status quo fans when they make their bad faith arguments to be ignorant about these things and pretend like the heroic raid exists in a vacuum.
To people in this thread in general. Don´t worry. If you feel like this tier is too hard, you are right!! The numbers are on your side. No matter how much these people try and gaslight you otherwise.
I can only recommend my thread about this to people who are interested in actual discussion which actually looks at the data
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he did but was dead on the floor whole fight
Pugging rasz is much easier than guild kills, because in pugs , the leader selects the best players that have the kill already.
Yeah, I also killed Rasz 3 times in pugs, with Woottodoo, p**s easy …his mythic raider friends carrying a whole lot of not-so-bad players, 1 shot it.
In guilds, you have all sorts of players, the good the bad and the ugly and its nearly to impossible to expect all players to be good in a Heroic guild for example, because the good ones tend to go for Mythic.
Thats why guild kills are harder than pug kills.
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I’ll just pay the gold - it is already 150K and falling, when it gets to sub 70-80K I will pay up. Just not worth the effort to me anymore.
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yep.
70k is like 1 day of mining and herbalism
its more efficient to just go farm and than buy kill than try to pug it with actual cancers of a players and waste your time xD
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Even in lfr someone explains tactic and players still get blown off because of the knockback
Most people are just afk half the time using few skills then die and wait until its over
Mythic guilds don’t care how hard the HC last boss is, they’ll put it on farm anyway. And HC guilds who can’t (or won’t) set up a roster for mythic might as well get a hard final challenge since once they kill it they’re done with the raid tier anyway.
That and doing some mythic bosses before getting curve isnt anything out of the ordinary. In fact its rather common.
Theyre an issue because people want everything for free nowadays
People wanted everything for free since the dawn of time. Repeating that doesn’t make you look exceptional or earn brownie points on forums.
But pointing out raids can be challenging and don’t need to be nerfed to oblivion needs to be said cos people want 0 difficulty to dragonflight which is stupid
since the world first race is over they should rebuff her back to where she was before she was nerfed for mythic 
What do you mean man - I killed Brood on 4th try with a pug and it’s a pushover every week, all it takes is 2-3 people who know what to do with eggs. Rasza is a nightmare to pug.