RBG heros sitting in 220 ilvl gear,keyboard turning,not trading cd’s properly,not being able to finish off 1% hp targets,not knowing when to cc or how to cc…all that while having 500+ arena games played at 1400 cr.
RBG and Arena gear sharing same cr req. is literal insult to people who play arenas only,since you can get 1800 in rbg’s in 25 wins,even with covenant gear,and cobatant gear is free since u dont lose any rating until 1400 (that is if you are not absolutely horrendous in pvp,and you have 300 games played stuck at 1300 rbg cr)
You are supposed to deserve gear,not get it for free.
You can hate it all you want,but not a single 1800 rbg player deserve his gear,and this is a fact.
did you try yolo your way up to 1.8k in rbgs?
it is not as easy as you think
As a single player (in garbanzo gear) you got very little agency to turn the tides if you have a group full of potatoes.
just for the record i played 36 rbgs, won 20 and sit at 1606 rating. A win nets about 14-16 rating usually.
yes the players play terrible but that is also the reason why it isn’t that easy to go to 1.8k.
You need to
a) make your own group and only inv high ilvl people with exp
b) look for groups that cover a) but if you don’t have 220 ilvl nobody inv to those grps
On my first char,it took me 80 games with 56 win rate to get to 1900
On second it took me 40 games with 54 win rate (actually i got to 1789 and i quit)
Arena howerver,it took me 180 games with 56% winrate to get to 1800,which i played for days.
On my first char at 2100 rbg mmr,i witnessed people backpedaling for no reason,not spinning the flag,not calling out incs,not defending at all,spamming abilities during DR,not focusing targets,not playing proper pvp talents for certain bg’s (hpala sac,priest knockback) wasting sac/grip,dome for totally unnecessary situations,warlocks not using gates at all (let alone when needed on certain place) ,not defending flag carrier,relying on others to pick up the orbs,no communication and no leading.
All that happened on 1900-1980 rbg cr,at 2000-2100 mmr.
Situations like this are forgivable in rated bg’s,because you have other 9 people to cover for you (most of the time)
And mistakes like these are the only thing that separates people having 500 games played at 1900-2000 CR from people who have 150-200 games played at 3300 CR.
In arena at rating where it matters,you make one mistake,and you are done.1800 in 2s or 3s equals 2300 RBG,and not a single person alive can make me think otherwise.
Actually,when i think about it i dont think rbg rating can compare to arena rating at all.
There’s tons of people who are eligible for HOTH/HOTA,being stuck at 1600 rating in arena.
And imagine surprise?Most of them are druids,paladins,warriors and rogues.There were multiple teams running quad/penta boomie at the beginning,before first boomkin nerf.After that it was 3 to 4.
There are some exceptions,and there are good players who do only rbg’s and couldnt care less about arenas,but you can easily spot who’s tryharding and who’s actual real deal.
I’m sure you feel very skilled playing a meta spec in arena and just mash your keyboard until the enemy is dead, but many specs are locked out from arena because of imbalance. As a DH I’m forced to play RBGs only because Blizzard decided to nerf havoc into oblivion. So no, your idea will never happen because the game isn’t balanced for 2v2 death match.
Not sure what playing certain class has anything to do with it,since any class and any build is ABLE to at least 1600.Some classes like yours can indeed mash keyboard and hit 3 buttons whole game and win,same goes for ret pala,fire mage,boomkin and rogue (rogue tho requires some knowledge at least) Idk what’s complicated about stun on healer,eye beam+the hunt+fel rush.
Btw,my first class i got 1978 rbg was resto shaman,took me 1.5 months to do 85 rbg games(because i couldnt find groups as rshaman,even tho i spent hours on lfg every day)first time shammy,got 1640 in 2s (proves my 2s/3s point and how everyone can get it)
I did not deserve rbg 220 ilvl,because i couldnt push past 1640 to save my life,and i am running in same gear some people farmed 2s or 3s for months,while i got it in 60 games.
all in all it looks more or less same for the time played, maybe even took you longer for rbgs.
Obviously rbgs need less skill but you need more luck or be more picky with your team.
80 games probably takes longer than 180 arena games to be honest.
honestly you also see this stuff in arena on 1.8k…
this is one of the biggest reasons why many people prefer rbgs over arena. It is much less stress inducing because 1 mistake and you are done… even on 1300 rating 1 mistake will end your game in this burst clown fiesta
this could have more reasons than being complete bad in pvp.
arena requires a consistent team to push high and more practice
maybe they are not interested in pushing higher - after reaching 1.6k I quit doing rated for a while and relax in bgs. With 213 gear i don’t feel so bad anymore but I don’t enjoy the stress I have in arena after a long work day
maybe some play terrible specs or as you say are just bad.
The majority of HOTH players aren’t completely trash at least in rbgs. RBGS and Arena are completely different so it isn’t surprising that they could be good at one and bad at the other
quite interesting, I always got invited with my ilvl 200 resto shaman. But maybe you were more picky with your groups and that is why our experience with ease of reaching 1.6k+ vary.
I mean it wasn’t really hard. Games that we lost were really mostly because we had people who played it like rng bgs and no voice etc.
RBG should be more rewarded to keep interest for mediocre+ players. Nowdays its just gear up bracket - no 1 take srs to play in it.
WoW is about raids, not about M+. Why wow became about arenas, but not about BGs? RBGs even no need so much micro-balance as arenas, there is no so much pressure on PvP team.
Well area is hard in sl bc of one thing : gear gap!.. Boosters are blocking gear progression for low ilvl players… With max pvp (w/o rating) you are stuck at ilvl200… And u face 225-226 players in arena as low as 1000 rating… Rbgs at last make 200ilvl get small change to get rating unlike arenas…
Ye,i didnt want to play just for the sake of playing,but then again,i could afford to be picky because i had nothing better to do.
I do understand most people dont have luxury of playing 10 hours a day.
And like you said,50% of it its nothing but luck,who you get as teammates.Just because everyone is on voice,doesnt mean everyone is going to be vocal.
Sometimes i wonder if i got disconnected from voice or something,because everyone is mute AF
But 1800 2s cant even begin to compare to 1970 rbg because i played rbg for fun and chill,while 2s was like job i forced upon myself just to get arena rival.
I mean,there’s a reason why 80% playerbase is under 1800,or maybe under 1600 i am not sure,some famous youtuber made math or saw it on some site,but i cant 100% confirm.
Just look at 2100-2400 rbg players,most of them weren’t able to get 1800 in arena to save their life for a reason.
Some of them are at even higher rbg cr,and still being stuck in arena with billion games played (and no,they are not boosters
Id say its more of an issue to fix MMR for RBG so it should require equal effort as getting to the same rating in arenas. Right now it feels like people who got 2K rating in RBG (not boosted, but actually played through) are not even close to their arena counterpart.