Reason for zero dev interaction revealed by Holinka

In a tweet by Brian Holinka, the reason we see zero interaction from any developer on Twitter is a result of ‘harassment on Twitter’.

If they genuinely believe that the feedback provided by the tournament players after every single AWC constitutes as ‘harassment’, to the extent that even the ‘professionals’ do not warrant a reply or acknowledgement from them, then the arrogance and stubbornness of these developers is beyond my imagination.

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To be fair, the general public can be very insulting, and I wouldn’t want to be hanging out on Twitter if I were a Blizzard dev either.

Replying once in every 10 years on the EU forums though is another matter.

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Then don’t ignore the players who represent your game in an ‘esport’ as a result of the ‘general public’.

His tweet is self defeating anyway, ‘we don’t interact on Twitter because of harassment’…so what’s the reason for 3 blue posts on EU arena forums this year?

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I’m assuming they have limited moderating capabilities / resources for Twitter, and by showing their face there they open themselves up to be targeted by all kinds of people.

The forums at least require you to have an active subscription, and Blizzard have full moderator capabilities themselves.

I think the forums is the place where we should demand a reply. Like, why not a single explanation when it goes months and months about people crying about Holy Priest won’t they do something?

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So because of a few loud morons (which are not the pros in the most cases AFAIK but just some randoms tagging them) on twitter, they proceed to ignore every single feedback and not interact with the entire community (except some streamers ofc) in any way.

Yep, sounds like 2022.

Also, it’s not like they have a community council to have a filter for those mean harassers on le twitter right ? Nah better ignore em too. I don’t know, it feels like an excuse to me and the reality is just that they don’t care to interact with their own community’s feedback

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If you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen, especially when you’re going to make your profile public. Restrict your profile if you don’t want people ‘targeting’ you.

I agree. Imagine if after every single AWC weekend there was a post saying ‘we are aware of the overperformance of x y z and are looking to address it’. People would be far less irritated.

Mate I literally replied to the tweet making a counter argument and some snowflake said ‘dude you’re proving his point about harassment!!!’.

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They don’t
But any time they make a reply to said AWC players, they’re swarmed by other replies, like the being the world’s biggest magnet.

If I were a dev, I wouldn’t wanna go open public either, hell I would be selective with my interaction with AWC players too, considering some of them can be just as bad.

Interesting claim, can you link me a reply to any AWC player from a developer? I for one do not remember one.

Ofc, all of this is just a lame excuse.
They simply don’t want to, and they don’t give a crap about interacting with the community or balancing requests.

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Ma man I just went to said tweet you’re refering to, and he didn’t make the statement you claimed in your OP at all?

This wasn’t even an official statement on Blizz’ behalf, it was a reply to another tweet on what the man wishes more players would know/do

And like, this is basic fundamental human behaviour, if somebody is mean you probably don’t wanna be around them.

‘The only result that will come from harassing a game dev on Twitter is less dev-player interaction’.

??? He can say ‘we don’t mind HEARING I didn’t like x y z’, that is a completely different narrative to ‘we don’t mind REPLYING to I didn’t like x y z’. As a result of the ‘harassment’ that they receive, they choose to completely shut off any communication at all. That is very simple comprehension.

Please substantiate?

I don’t think you can at all see the massive disconnect between your conclusion and what Brian wrote.
Brian writtes, on his own behalf, that he wish more people would realise that being rational and constructive makes it far easier and better to communicate. You take that statement, and conclude

So you mean to say Brian has just said the reason Blizz ignores us is for this reason. Nothing in said tweet reveals this.

I viewed your counterargument as well, and you do, in fact, prove the man’s point, because you insult both him and his team by calling him incompetent and ‘voluntarily ignore feedback’. I very much doubt it’s voluntary, he’s one man in a big company.
Whether or not it’s true they’re incompetent is irrelevant, fact is Brian wants people to be better at rational conversation, you then proceed to give him the opposite under that very same tweet, and then wonder why somebody called you out for proving his point.

Why do Blizz not communicate at all? Who knows, but Brian probably doesn’t know either.

Not somw Twitter search god, and not about to put in effort for it, so I’ll surrender that point to you

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Brian writes, as a game designer @ Blizzard Entertainment, not on behalf of Blizzard Entertainment, that he wishes more people knew that ‘harassment’ has the result of less dev-player interaction. You do not have to make a statement like that from the official Blizzard account for it to be true.

I did not call him incompetent.

This is a fact.

When you make a claim that you will not and/or can not substantiate with evidence, then you have very little credibility regarding anything else you have to say.

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I got harassed almost every day ingame. I wont play this game :smiley:
Those devs dont sound like adults, offended by little kids or just some minus IQ people.
Professional ?
As I dont use twitter or USA forums, I live in darkness …

Well, these are the same devs that implemented a social contract that protects people from being criticised in the slightest way possible.

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poor excuse.

I mean we dont even expect that you communicate openly with every individual but at this point it rather looks like nobody is working on the game anymore.

Things like “yep that looks too strong, we going to adjust it in the next 2 weeks” would be enough for 99.9% of the player base. But since they only have 0 devs working on pvp, they cannot even do that I guess.

developing organically is the biggest excuse for “sorry we got no devs for pvp, lol enjoy noobs”

For me all WoW devs are a joke. Bunch of primadonnas that have not enough resources or just terrible at their work who blame their customers for everything. Imagine them working in gastronomy.

They literally serve us raw steak. I don’t know the reason why. Maybe there is not enough crew to cook steaks and they have to rush or they are just bad cooking. Anyway if the customer is served by raw steak normal practice is just to apologize and serve a new better one while trying to ensure that it never happens again. What Blizzard does? They behave like these terrible cooks from Kitchen Nightmares getting offended by their customer complaints.

Blizzard is like that old one of the first restaurants in your town that was great but the owner changed and new one cut costs on everything so quality drops.

At the end these who are the main reason of their failure try to deflect fault on the client. Some of these pretentional primadonnas have to understand that the reason why they have job is that we buy their game. They don’t do us any favor when they fix it but it’s their responsibility. If I was a WoW dev after last 3 AWC I would be literally embarassed and I don’t say it because I don’t like it. I say it because I’m honest and I state fact. If they are not able to deliver hi quality product maybe they need more resources. I don’t know but it can’t be that one of the biggest gaming company delivers a game where 70% games are played with same 3 specs while there are 31 available excluding tanks.

These primadonnas take everything as personal attack. If they worked 1 week in any other role that is related to interaction with the client they would get eaten alive.

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remember that dev who wanted people who had been theorycrafting things for blizzard for ± a decade banned from their private feedback forums because they told him corruption was crap lol

What I can’t understand is why they are demonizing playerbase and fighting it. We are all the reason they have this job. I believe that both side’s goal should be to make a great game. They may be as proud of their game as they want but if community doesn’t like it’s just a bad game.

Also they don’t understand they only increase the amount of backlash if they are silent. They could leave an anonymous message that they are gathering data to provide proper PvP tuning soon. End of story. Players know that they acknowledged the issue and are relaxed waiting for changes. I’m pretty sure that frustration level will drop. Instead they behave like primadonnas and play victims. Best part is that they can even stay anonymous keeping their communication with us. Again and again same thing is a problem. Lack of communication. They may not realise it but if they stay silent they appear to be arogant among players and they make us feel ignored. That’s the best recipe for such situations. The only thing they need to do is leave anonymous posts once every week or two. Is it really that much?

To be fair, a conversation requires back and forth. There’s no back, only forth. So it’s hard to know what they pay attention to, and what they ignore, since all we can go by is what they end up doing. They’re completely silent except for the actions they take, and that isn’t healthy communication.

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