Red skin is not for lightforged

[Funkykittié-ravencrest]

If the light can call upon the fel, then the fel can call upon the light.

Aka: Lightforged Warlocks (Creatures imbued with the light)
Aka: Man’ari Paladins (Creatures imbued with the Fel)

If the very beings created and engineered to ressist the Fel and be its bane (lightforged soliders, to fight the Legion), then having them use Fel is a lot worse - than a demon using the Light. They would per old logic be overcoming their innate resistances to the fell - so they could use it… It is really stupid.

Demons tho. Do remember, Man’ari Eredar are regretful now. They are going to try to find redemption for themselves in their actions. They are good souls. Finally, the Light would not refuse their call, yet heed the call of the Scarlet Crusade. The Light simply works if you believe in it and you believe it to be just and good.

So, racial stuff and that jazz… Do i hate it? Yes… is it silly in my eyes? Yes… Does it make sense with how the lore now is? Yes.

Starting zones, are now the new place, the beach thing scenario, so if you chose to do the other one, you are not really partaking with any current lore - you are just being a time tourist I guess, real appearance hidden by “Chromie’s” magic. If you started your adventures in Dragonflight, you would not start on the Exodar as a questing adventurer. You would be the new “generation” of adventurer. On that beach.

Hope that made sense. Cause WoW sure doesn’t.

[Imperia-skullcrusher]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

I honestly don’t understand why you felt the need to tell me that Eredar are Draenei when this is plainly not so any more than Humans are Englishmen, to take your example. I explicitly stated they should be considered a different race because the starting zone doesn’t work for them and because they’re racial calls upon the light even though they’re demons. It’s just phenomenally silly.

But Draenei is not a race dam it, what you dont get here? Go read some lore, i am done trying to explain it to you, i explained it like 5000 times…

Go read what Sargerei are, and go check Tyrant Velhari who still have a gift of the naaru and using the Light even thought she is a man’ari.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Imperia-skullcrusher

But Draenei is not a race dam it

It’s always tricky to draw the line, but to me a race within World of Warcraft specifically is drawn at the different culture more than anything, which is why Lightforged Draenei or Mag’har orcs or Dark Iton dwarves exist. These things are set apart to deliver different starting experiences.

If they can exist, so can Eredar. I don’t really care where you theoretically put some biological delineation - that’s an inexact science at the best of times, even in the real world by experts, and much bloodshed has been had on that account, though of course this is WoW and the racial conflicts forms much of its core fantasy.

The Draenei are specifically the Eredar who fled with Velen tens of thousands of years ago. Their race name mean the exiled ones in their own language. Those that are joining now ARE NOT DRAENEI - they did not flee with Velen - now it is more appropriate to say that the Eredar are the exiled ones, because the Draenei won decisively. They are still not blessed but the light, their bodies are openly corrupted.

Try playing a red Draenei warlock in Ammen Vale and experience the insane levels of dissonance for yourself. You’ll know what I mean instantly.

[Imperia-skullcrusher]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

which is why Lightforged Draenei or Mag’har orcs or Dark Iton dwarves exist.

Yet, what you say contradict itself here, because a mag’har ORC is still an ORC, a LF draenai is still a draenai/eredar, a dark iron DWARF is still a DWARF thats all the point of ALLIED RACES.

And i dont put any real world concepts here, its just how it is in the warcraft univers, a man’ari eredar is a man’ari eredar, its an eredar, a draenei too is an eredar.

I think your BIG problem is that you keep calling them eredar, while you should call them MAN’ARI eredar, just as much as you dont call a mag(har, just an orc, you call it a mag(har orc.

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

Try playing a red Draenei warlock in Ammen Vale and experience the insane levels of dissonance for yourself. You’ll know what I mean instantly.

And now you call them “red draenei” you makes me very confused now, there is no such things as “red draenei”, you are tyring to draw a line by telling the man’ari are not draenei but then you destroy the line by saying they are red draenei ><

And, you miss an important point here, the man’ari are playable in the events of dragonflight, while amen vale is playable with the events of TBC, which mean you are literaly playing anachronism here and tell me “it feels odd” ofc it feels odd just like it feels odd to play a zandalari in Pandaria lol…

[Röcc-draenor]

The whole point was that the man’ari were the draenei that joined Sargaeras, Kiljaiden and Archimonde on Argus. The Lightforged were the draenei that fought them on Argus, empowered by the light of Xe’ra.

They are literally 2 different factions of Draenei, but the lightforged, by how the story works, were never converted into joining the Burning Legion. The whole reason they exist is to FIGHT the burning legion.

[Funkykittié-ravencrest]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

Those that are joining now ARE NOT DRAENEI - they did not flee with Velen

Dranei simply means, as you stated yourself “Exiled ones”, as Man’ari means “corrupted, demonic, evil”.

Man’ari, who goes in exile and escapes the remenants of the Legion would be Dranei Man’Ari, Exiled Demonic Eredar.

So, Man’ari falling under the whole Dranei tag works. If you argument, Man’ari can not be Dranei.

I get that is not your core points, but it is a pitfall to avoid. Language matters. Well, used to. In WoW nothing matters, really.

[Imperia-skullcrusher]

@Funkykittié-ravencrest

Man’ari, who goes in exile and escapes the remenants of the Legion would be Dranei Man’Ari, Exiled Demonic Eredar.

So, Man’ari falling under the whole Dranei tag works. If you argument, Man’ari can not be Dranei.

I could also make the point that, since they are no longer foroced to flee Argus and are even making progres and efforts to retake it, they are no longer exils and thus could all be called eredar again.

[Funkykittié-ravencrest]

Well, they are Eredar already, and can call themselves as such. It is like how we humans do it. We are all human - like they are all Eredar.

They never lost the Eredar tag. They simply call themselves ‘the exiled ones’ as that is what they are. Just think how weird it would be to call yourself “European Human” or “Exiled Human”. The human part is a bit pointless.

[Farendriel-argent-dawn]

If we can’t have Red Skin Lightforged at least gives us Fel Green eye colors.

Just did the Madam Shadow quest line and you can clearly see that Initiate Oman has a green eye, he’s blind on the other.

[Zhantharion-argent-dawn]

Well yeah, the Fel-taint, as the Fel-green eyes would be logical for the warlocks
Thats true
But how would you justify it for the other classes who wouldn’t poke Fel with a ten foot long pole?
And Oman was originally golden eyed, then went to the deep end, even his skin tone got a litle different and ever since in a basically self imposed exile in booty bay, avoiding his own kind and keeping a low profile
On the Vindicaar if someone would notice your Fel-green eyes, you would be executed on sight as the sign of corruption
Okay, be a Warlock, as in a Demonologist, expert of the Enemy, even fanatic enough to go to the extreme “By divinie right I command thu , vile creature to fight and die in the name of the Light and for me! Again… again… and again! Even Death will not save you from the wrath and the judgment of the Lightforged! By my sanctified blood I will seal our deal, our pact will be your chain and you will kill your own despicable kind because the Light… and ME wills it! OBEY!”
But sucumbing to the Dark Side? Showing Fel-taint?
They woud escort you to the nearest incinerator or airlock to end it right there

BUT if they would implement something like “you can have the Fel-green eye but if you have it, you can’t acces the Vindicaar anymore” and “Lightforged NPC’s become Hostile” for example (like how the Gift of the Naaru turns green if you are Red on a regular Draenei) then sure