I find it rather toxic that you can Shimmer Twice, Alter, Displace, Frost nova 2 times, Blast wave knock people away and also be able to permanently apply a slow to people.
Sure, Mage should supposedly have a lot of CC.
However…
Alter Time is very high up there with one of the most toxic spells in the entire game. Because:
1) Your team has no purge, guy effectively has Divine shield if he pressed it on high hp and you can’t go through his entire healthbar to force him to pop it
2) Your team does have a purge, but the mage itself has 50 million self buffs + whatever a healer gave them + THINGS HE SPELLSTOLE FROM YOU.
3) Suppose you do try to purge it as a healer - welcome to being stuck on global cooldown and unable to avoid a Sheep
4) The last thing which most people do is just give up altogether on chasing / hitting the Mage and go for someone else. This creates even more problems:
- Other targets might be in Narnia, and your plan is to return on the Mage after the Alter, but you have to hit something on your burst cds, but you won’t have the mobility to do it
- The Mage starts spam CCing your healer or even your whole team cause you aren’t on him
- The Mage starts pumping unhealable damage
My suggestion is to reduce the duration of Alter time in PvP to 6 or 7 seconds. The class is already immortal in the hands of a decent player into pretty much everything except Hunters / Shadow priests / DKs. Currently the kit feels like its made to humiliate people with the amount of CC and survivalbility there is. Having a button that literally says " Haha your dmg doesn’t matter" is disgusting
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Purge is the key. I cannot count the amount of games healers didn’t Purge on our go so Alter Time - Invincible. If you play it well and Purge it you get 100% Block and then you only have 2nd block or cauterize.
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im getting braindamaged
mage is literally countered by dispells
you are like “wasted a dispell to remove his barrier, to remove his hot streak, to remove his iceform, to remove his alter time” buddy, u just destroyed my game i can go afk after that
unhealable damage ? what expansion are you playing exactly ?
what infinite ccs, u have 3 shepps, which heal u to full hp, and breaks on any damge
literally what are people smoking that think that mage kit is busted every single time
spellsteal if u r not arcane is 4 globals away from making u go oom too
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Purge at this point is not just strong, its mandatory or your experience in pvp is just hilariously bad, especially against mages. Ive tried to play warrior shuffle without purge in team and I can tell you Im basically hitting immune all game long. I could as well just afk there, waiting for all the immunities and similar abilities to wear off, which in this meta, where paladin is 100% present, takes an awful lot of time…
That’s my point there is 0 excuse for R Sham or Disc/Holy for not to Purge it when they are the only Purger in the team. When I play Ele I switch Greater Purge to the normal one to be sure I can Purge it on the go. On Evoker I literally hold my Tip the Scales to Purge it with the Fire Breath.
Now imagine your game playing with hpala healer, where the enemy mage has perma freedom and perma bop/block/AT. I went for a coffe and came back later on to finish the game.
how many comps have 0 dispells are played in arena and are gonna meet only mages exactly ?
Dunno, Ive tried to cap my fresh warrior in shuffle yesterday. Apparently a lot, lol.
isn’t that the whole point of arena ? getting teamcomps that have fewer weaknesses ?
then again, basing you comp against one of the least played classes in pvp in 2023 might not be smart in the long run
still, pick a dh, has dispell, pick a priest healer, has dispell, pick a hunter dps, he has dispell, pick, a rshaman, he has dispell, did u go rogue warr hpala to find yourself in that situation ?
Yea, next time I will talk to Scamzzard, I will tell them to let me cherry pick what teams I want to get in the main pvp mode of the game, which is shuffle.
And your statement about mage being one of the least played classes is simply wrong. Just check drustwar for example. Mage is one of the most broken classes this game ever had. It only has issues with hunters and probably DKs, rest is just faceroll for mage, not mentioning they have all the utility in the existence except cyclone, which is most likely planned for the enxt expansion anyway.
u r delusional.
but by all means, try it yourself.
Personally either your a bad mage or only play with bad mages because their dmg is actually very good, and seems to require 0 ramp like shadow priest etc the amount of times I’ve been 100-0 in seconds by a mage is a lot more than I have by war for example he is completely right mage is a joke right now and has been given far too much
i cannot kill a healer, using flask, pèot, foodbuff, zerg, and saltwater during my burst, and bl, definetly OP dmg.
The damage a mage can do within a counterspell is rather nasty.
I dont feel like lvling a class of fantasy I dont enjoy and gearing from scratch with 30m queues just to prove a point to a random guy on the internet. As a healer main, I have plenty of time watching whats going on in the game. Mages are ridiculously broken, require very low effort compared to the past. They mostly top dps, they have by far the highest amount of available cc, 3+ schools of magic, so its i***t friendly in this part as well and basically the only reason they arent the most popular are hunters and purge spam teams. In games like blades edge they have close to infinite cc chains unless enemy team cooperates and plays perfectly to prevent it, which isnt the case in my shuffle games.
imgur.com/a/0shqBH6 does this classify as low and healable dmg?
U really want a mage CC list Mr. 3 sheeps?
Dragon’s breath
Ring of Frost (freebie cast after Dragon’s breath)
x2 Frost Nova
Ice nova or whatever it is called (the 2 second ranged root thing)
Slow (spammable)
Blast wave (knockback)
Infinite sheeps you can swap around, which now also have a PvP talent that gives you 12% vers and movement speed after sheeping and also don’t heal the sheeped target.
Arcane also has a knockup
Frost has infinite roots and much bigger slows
Ice wall for all specs
Let’s not forget Shifting power greatly reduces the CD on nearly all of those so you can go again much earlier than when your cooldowns should have finished.
Did I mention you can Ring of Frost while invisible to make the Ring itself invisible, then somebody walks into it?
I know that asking for a healthy nerf to a broken class doesn’t go well on the forums. It is similar if you say something about Sub rogue guarantee killing you 100-0 every 25 seconds and being immortal with Vanish charges and shadow dust CDR.
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Just in time for exciting blizzcon games.
the list of people im adding to my ignore list is getting larger and larger on the forum, i wonder if it has a limit lik ingame or i can just keep going
Lots of good comps cannot dispel but have other strengths.
Rogue Lock Hpal, Feral Lock Hpal, Boomy Lock RDruid/MW/HPal, and so on.
Purge is not “mandatory”. Sure, not having a purge makes playing into Mages a bit more annoying but then we just don’t PvE into Alter Time and it’s all good.
Also, consider that teams with purge cannot always purge especially against more competent players. If you play a comp where only your healer can purge, and the enemy Mage alters and blinks back behind his team 80y away from the purge your healer can’t really push in just to get it because otherwise you lose to position. There are also the moments where you can purge and you do it, but the Mage has an Evoker or a RDruid and you can’t get the Alter on the go/before he triggers it back. Those games aren’t necessarily defeats at all. You just don’t hardcounter the Mage. It is quite ok. You don’t hace a hardcounter to DK, Warrior or Shaman every game either yet you can beat them.
I don’t really understand why people think they should always be entitled to having the anti mage toolbox every game, but they don’t think that about other classes.
Ah rip the 15 years in a row hardstuck challenger mage will add me to his ignore list after he read a long list of facts why his class is OP
rip my feelings
And yes. You don’t necessarily need to be a hardcounter to Mages to win. But its a bit of a joke the amount of things mages can do compared to other specs
But hey, don’t quote me on this. Go watch literally any pvp stream playing WW / Mage. I say " watch " coz in whatever sewer 1600 gutter some people are stuck in, all they will see is double warrior squishing them like ants