its funny how blizzard are using the lghtbq community, take the role as spokes person for human rights when they where just discriminating people 1 year, ago,
also bobby kotick on epstein privatte loggs, this is like movie script with a recipe for disaster
can we just for a second stop pretend that blizzard actually cares about this community, heck they dont even care about their players
Censorship has already closed a few topics about this madness, we also wrote there that on eastern servers they do not pop up with this type of ideas, because these servers would be closed immediately. They also forgot that they are doing the game for people from all over the world, not for a small group of activists who don’t even play their game. Pecunia non olet. They only wipe their face with an ideology. They offend us, claiming otherwise.
The inability of posters to remain civil has already closed a few topics about this, nothing to do with censorship. Neither is it madness as it works perfectly well in other games and will work perfectly well in this game.
As for the rest we do not know what is going to happen to servers other than the US and EU servers.
But we know, every now and then there are movies on YouTube about the differences between the eastern and the western versions. I was most entertained when the Chinese version made hay bags instead of meat in the kitchens. It was fun until we were censored, when women were turned into fruit.
That’s because they are laws about that sort of thing in China. Much the same as during Wrath all the bones had to be changed for the game to be released in the market.
As far as I am aware there is no law in China against labelling things body 1 and body 2, judging by the games that already use these terms that have been released there, so this one won’t cause any issues.
As for women being turned into fruit if that hadn’t been datamined by Wowhead no one would have been any the wiser about the whole issue. I would say that the fuss over that was making a mountain out of a molehill but even a molehill would be bigger than that.
What I find most hilarious in this situation is that the LBGTQ+ community thinks we’re afraid or annoyed directly with label changing from male and female to body type 1 and 2. Some of us just don’t want to deal with rainbows excessively.
First it was full month of ‘pride’ instead of a day or something. Now these labels have changed. This feels like it’s gnawing its way through slowly to be obnoxiously everywhere you look at. I really couldn’t care less about their opinions and what else if they stayed in their own respective group. If they want, they can be xers and xirs together, but please, you can’t expect everyone to take you seriously even though most people just want to nod at your stuff to be polite. That’s what I’m doing IRL.
Seems like they are becoming, ironically, the most privileged group.
Here you are right, they would realize that it was decided to censor the game only when someone’s big love rocket changed its name or when the courtesans became a patron. Hardly anyone looks at the pictures. We do know, however, that they can make different versions of the game for different audiences. Here, however, they decided to attack instead of adding an option for people who are not sure of their gender.
I do not understand the indignation of this community. In this game you choose your gender, not your sexual orientation. This is not that kind of game. There is an adult version of Warcfat, not made by blizzard, and orientation probably matters there, but not here. Ok maybe in Goldshire… but still…
I don’t quite see where the attack is. The models look exactly the same to me so nothing has really changed, has it?
You’re right, the models are the same. So who is bothered by the name male and female?
I also find it distasteful. There is E-roleplaying addons for that stuff.
I really don’t understand the urge to express your sexual needs in somewhat ‘acceptable’ form such as saying you’re lesbian. I wouldn’t care about this in any situation, unless the said attraction was towards me. The other stuff as identifying as something imaginary is a different category, which I don’t even want to deal with. If they want to do it, go ahead, just don’t spurt it on my plate, because I’m not doing the same to them.
The attack mentioned is the slow progress of promoting their opinions over the normal terms. Politics isn’t a thing you’d want to deal with when playing a game on your free time. I’d say the same if I was on the LGBTQ+ side.
EDIT: This was greatly unnecessary and pointless change that managed to rile up people.
But similarly why get so upset about the removal of the label male and female from the character creation screen? If it helps some people feel more included and doesn’t actually change a thing for the rest of us, why not do it?
Nope, still not seeing it? Sounds like a bit of strawmanning or whataboutism going on here.
Seeing what? I recently came to this thread and I haven’t read everything above.
This supposed attack.
Because if they wanted to do this, they would add an option for people who cannot determine their gender, no matter what the reason. My question still remains unanswered. I will add one more thing. Did your mother name you by birth order? First, second, third etc? But was she calling by name?
Okay, more than one came out 
This is what the point is, make people not see. It doubts what is obvious whether there is a man and a woman. Shallowing gender to the role of a number. As if they were doing robots with this and that type of body. Such dehumanization. Making society one impersonal mush, faceless crucible. Now the Blizzard has brought this ideological war into his game.
Ah, you meant that, I thought it was something that was discussed in the earlier posts up above.
I think the differences come from that you find the change positive while I find it negative. I want to add that I don’t care which groups ideology it stems from, I just want that the content ingame is from natural and creative source. All of this talk about LBGTQ+ clearly has inspired this change, which would be ok, if it wasn’t done for internet points from some group of people.
To be honest, I wouldn’t call it ‘attack’ but I just loaned Arzadar. More like subtle change, but intent seems to be after for favour points rather than QoL changes. EDIT: Yeah, it can be seen as QoL for some, but I think you know what I meant here.
EDIT: I got to hit the showers, 'cause 1:12AM, otherwise it’s going to get way too late. I hope that you both, Osangar and Arzadar can keep it civil and not to heat up too much.
I am really not sure how what my mother called me comes into this equation. If she had gone from calling me boy or girl to one or two then it might make sense but it doesn’t.
As for your question I am not a pollster so I don’t have the first clue who is bothered by the name male or female but I believe that some transitioning people and non binary people can be upset by the labels male and female as they feel like they don’t fit into those labels. However that is a big assumption by me as I am not one of those people.
What I don’t get is why people think that the change of a label suddenly removes male/female as terms. I can still distinguish between the female and the male characters on the creation screen just like I could before. It really doesn’t matter to me what they are labelled as.
I do not see it as dehumanizing, I see it as being inclusive of all whether they are binary or not. In fact it makes it more personal as there are more varieties rather than less.
As for the ideological war that seems to be purely in the minds of those who refuse to see people who don’t fall into the male/female social construct as less than human.
Pretty much sums up entirely how I feel, for what little that’s worth.
During the Ardenweald storyline you are introduced to a character who, whilst helping the player with supporting Tyrande as she is overtaken by the Night Warrior, is shown to be in a same-sex partnership. I believe it was Qadarin and Thirnax? They’re organically written characters first, and LGBT+ representatives second, and I remember them as such.
Compare that to Pelagos, who despite never really accomplishing much of anything and spending most of his time following the player character around whilst muttering Wolverine-esque "who am I"s and "what am I"s, is suddenly promoted to Butterlord Supreme at the end of the story, and I just cannot even begin to see the character in the same light.
The context matters a lot, and the context for Blizzard is rarely ever to better the game for their players; it’s to scramble around after-the-fact and attempt to pander to whomever they can for internet points.
I would encourage Blizzard to give us an option at character select, or an in game setting to choose preferred pronouns. As a Cis white male, I don’t care if you hear your Male Night Elf as a female or vice versa. The issue arises when Blizzard decides that minimum effort is acceptable, and that reducing masculinity/femininity to 1 and 2, or (potentially) changing every pronoun to something neutral is okay.
Easy solution, Blizzard should add a “other player voices” loudness slider in the sound options. Then you can disable it.
Because I believe that it hits the core of our humanity and it is closely connected with the ideological war taking place in the US. You can see that this is the only change, but someone has made it. People who have done so should be aware of what they will open up by taking away people’s identity. To paraphrase Humanity Scorpions, I am a name, not a number.
As you can see, many have a different opinion.
If it was inclusiveness, they would just add an option for people who cannot determine their gender. Simple solution in options, binary / not binary. Truth? It wouldn’t be all of this.
If you would understand me correctly, there have always been such people in our history. They were even emperors of Rome. But neither of them even thought of imposing their approach on the entire empire. I will write this again, the whole thing is because some people at blizzard decided to impose their vision on players. Otherwise they would have given it as an option.
That or, God forbid, they might actually have provided the player base with greater bodily customisation instead of just rebranding people into numbers. I still remember people being excited at the thought of playable thin Kul’tirans.
Granted I’m not non-binary, but I personally think that if I were ever uncomfortable with being assigned a gender label that felt unnatural, I’d be even more uncomfortable with the “solution” being to instead turn me into a number.