Relationship status between Belf/Nelf with the Illidari

What would be right now the relationship between the Sin’Dorei or Kaldorei with the Illidari lorewise? I do believe Lor’themar would not have many problems about taking them back, since the Sin’dorei had that fel addiction themselves (not expert on belf lore, please don’t kill me).
And about the Kaldorei, since Tyrande accepted the Highborne back I do believe would not be a problem to accept the Illidari back in the society (even because probably the Kaldorei considers the Arcane way worst) since was Maiev herself who reliesed them, and Tyrande as well in WC3.
So here the question. Besiede personal opinions your character could have about them, can we speculate about having them back in their societies? Would love to read your opinions about it.

Officially forgotten about. Deep within irrelevancy.

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Relationship status: It’s complicated.

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I doubt the kaldorei hate Arcane more than Fel. They forbade use of arcane because it supposedly attracted the Legion, after all, while Fel actively destroys life.

Don’t forget that at the time Maiev released the Demon Hunters, she was a criminal in night elven society, after she almost killed Malfurion.

To answer your question, I imagine the Illidari are tolerated, but I doubt they are widely appreciated among Night Elves (especially civilians). They almost certainly wouldn’t get an invitation for tea.

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draws a knife

Blood Elves never had an addiction to fel magic. The vast majority had an addiction to mana, which they primarily sated by draining it from living creatures. Only Kael’thas’ Sunfury used fel magic widely - the majority of the populace had no idea.

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hmm okay, so would be unthinkable for the Sin’dorei to take them back as well?

Everyone knows that except for like two people the rest of the Illidari are stranded in deep space with no fuel steadily going insane and eating each other. That’s why none of them have shown up during BfA except for Marius that one time.

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I think for Night elves it’s like Thyasa above said, tolerated but not liked and in many social gatherings, more unwelcome than welcome.

For the Blood elves I think there’s a bigger variety between individuals. I think in society terms, they are tolerated, but let’s say a warlock would probably be more accepting towards them than a priest or paladin, especially since they now seem to have turned towards the light again with the “new” sunwell and the population starting to get free from the fel corruption (golden eyes). I’m no lore expert so these are just my thoughts, but they are obviously more accepted than void users among the Blood elves anyway :grin:

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To the Kaldorei, I expect them to be largely tolerated; if nothing else, then because fabled badass Maiev Shadowsong herself let them free. Something she - to my knowledge at least - had never done before.

They also did prove themselves for the most part, and their leader took it upon himself to keep Sargeras locked away. That’s a conviction not so easily ignored.

On the other hand, they are demonic creatures one and all, and their hunt is mostly ended. That is bound to cause some healthy concern and perhaps suspicion among the Kaldorei people, even if their focus has been turned towards the Horde and Sylvanas in this past year.

Blood Elves aren’t a people to waste strength on moral grounds. Had the Void not posed a direct threat to the Sunwell, chances are Umbric and his lot would have enjoyed praise for their ground-breaking into obscure powers.

The Illidari pose no such threat however, and Blood Elf Illidari used to be Sunfury; fiercely loyal to their homeland and their people. Assuming anything of that remains within the individual, I cannot see why they would be denied continued service to the Regent Lord.

This said, we know some sin’dorei did shun the Illidari. The first boss in the Vault of the Warden laments being viewed as a freak, so clearly they aren’t universally beloved, loyal or otherwise.

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Better question, why would the Illidari WANT to reintegrate with the societies that despise them and see them as monsters? Besides, they’re busy… there’s demons to kill.

Can someone clarify this for me, actually? Are the Blood Elf Illidari actually Blood Elves, or are they just High Elves? Is the lore that they were Kael’thas followers in WC3?

Yes in ten characters.

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I actually played the BE Demon Hunter starting chain and I don’t think Kael’thas was mentioned once… so was kinda confused.

At the time of the Demon Hunter quests in Mardum, Kael’thas had gone rogue for some time. He left behind not only Illidari initiates in doing so, but also the sin’dorei councillors we fight and kill in Black Temple.

They probably didn’t feel they owed him much by then, but that’s me speculating.

I think its in the book ‘Illidan’ that they clarify that Keal’thas gave Illidan some of his loyal Sunfury Blood Elves to train into becoming Demon Hunters! D:

Curiously, I don’t think we are told whether they were volunteers or given an order? This wasn’t too far off the time where he began acting erratically, so one has to wonder.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Illidan%27s_Pupil

As a reward for his years of service, Illidan allowed Kael’thas to send him five warriors to train under him. It would be the first time blood elves would be allowed to train as demon hunters.

The training was brutal. Illidan put Kael’s warriors through trials that would defeat most fully capable demon hunters.

Three of Kael’s elves died in training - another went mad.

One succeeded.

Back from TBC.

The remaining Illidari presumably didn’t train directly under Illidan since there were a bunch of the trainees on the terrace in Shadowmoon.

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again, I put my hands up in aknowledge of lack of belf lore. Basically you think the Sin’dorei would accept the Illidari before the Ren’dorei? Because I actually do not understand why mostly velf people play as they are best buddies with the Sin’dorei

For… Azeroth!:clown_face:

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But again, she was a known criminal at that point. It was also in a time of great need. Maiev setting them free is unlikely to change the kaldorei mindset on elves who willingly immersed themselves in Fel magic, making them almost demons.

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They can’t accept the ren’dorei back home even if they wanted to.

Their Void nature and research poses a risk to the Sunwell’s integrity, and the entirety of the sin’dorei people through that. So it’s basically a matter of survival, as they all remember what life without a Sunwell was like.

There is also the matter of them refusing to abandon their studies back when they were still sin’dorei, and the fact that they have allied with the Alliance and since killed Horde warriors.

Certainly, she had a taste for Highborne blood and it was probably widely known. I’m not so sure that ruined her reputation with the Kaldorei in general however; the Highborne’s return was not a celebrated affair. If there’s a source to the contrary of course, then I’m flat in the wrong.

I am not arguing your average Night Elf would consider them anything less than dangerous demonic freaks, and self-made ones at that. They are also dangerous demonic freaks who helped win a seemingly impossible war, and whose leader now plays a role much resembling that of a Warden.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with your Night Elf character sneering at the Illidari or openly scolding them for their decisions in life. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with your Night Elf character having gained a new perspective on them, in the wake of a seemingly impossible victory. That’s the beauty of RP.

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