Remove debuff timer for kicks in dungeons

[Fireblasst-gehennas]

People are kicking you for absolutely no reason, you pick up a Q item, need on a item someone else wanted, and they instantly kick if they are more than you, remove the debuff timer for kicks, its unfair to get first unjustly kicked, and then receive a unjustly 30 min timer because someone else is abusing the system.

[Saneko-ragnaros (Saneko)]

@Fireblasst-gehennas

and they instantly kick if they are more than you

*The kick succeeds when the majority wills it.

@Fireblasst-gehennas

remove the debuff timer for kicks, its unfair to get first unjustly kicked

This won’t happen unless something else takes its place.

@Vrakthris

The debuff itself has been part of the system almost since the Vote to Kick system was introduced. It became an unfortunate necessity as certain players would urge the group, by request or by being a nuisance, to vote them out in order to avoid receiving a deserter debuff.

I believe a lot of people understand the frustration with how the system currently works. It isn’t fun being removed from a group and having to sit out for 30 minutes because that also gave you a debuff.

While I cannot speak for the Game Development teams, it is extremely unlikely that the current system would be removed. While you may see the benefits, the system does a great deal to help prevent griefing in groups, so it is functioning the way it needs to. That doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement and if you have feedback/suggestions for that, I would encourage posting that and engaging in productive discussions on what you believe would be a better system. I can say with some certainty that the current system isn’t likely to change without something else to go in its place.

Proposals so far include but not limited to:

• “Just remove it” The darkest times will come back again. Where players may need to wait hours before their dungeon can start/finish while prio roles can keep requeuing for their desires roles due protections removed.
• “Reduced cooldowns stacking upwards” so that if you aren’t kicked often, it starts with a minor debuff.
• “Reduced cooldowns, stacking downwards” so if you’re in a “good” party, then when they surprisepikachu kick you at the end the cooldown is lower.
• “Warning before Debuff” - When you get removed from dungeon you get a Warning but allows you to requeue, if you get kicked again you get debuffed on subsequent leaves.
• “Add reporting for kicking” - This is akin FF where they investigate if someone is really, really using votekick so often and gets reported for it that often as well. WoW used to do this.

If you have a proper suggestion, you may submit it through the ingame feedback box. If it’s a new or better suggestion I may also add it to my list above :>

[Retentum-golemagg]

Hell yea enjoy, I played with my ex-guild GM and he kicked out every single random who was not in guild before last boss for no reason xD

[Saneko-ragnaros (Saneko)]

Such jerks generally they would incur a kicking cooldown if they do it too often.

[Flemmedetout-sulfuron]

99% of kicks are deserved, i’ve hardly ever seen anyone get kicked for no reason

[Hawley-firemaw]

The issue of tackling griefers and punishing leavers has been encountered and handled multiple times in various online games over the past 20 years, especially in games like DotA where it is extremely important.

This is really a solved problem, all the devs need to do is Ctr+C, Ctrl+V and tweak it a bit to fit the specifics of WoW.

[Saneko-ragnaros (Saneko)]

@Hawley-firemaw

This is really a solved problem

If this is a solved problem, why do those games still have leavers, cheaters and other poor behaviour over the past 20 years? Even better, why won’t every game adopt DOTA’s system? The answer is: It may only work for their ecoysystem or not at all in the other systems.

I myself played almost every MOBA that came out including the original ones before it got adapted by game studios of the current day and know their systems. I’m quite sure that the game development team also see it after all, they look at each other for what may or may not work.

The better suggestion would be like something like this I’ve seen which is a mix of DOTA’s player behaviour system and some others:

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1m86pfb/my_job_is_to_psychologically_manipulate_gamers_as/

Where players can give each other “kudos” and reinforce positive behaviour instead of removing protections aimed at stopping one or other toxic factors within the game.

[Alessthra-argent-dawn]

@Saneko-ragnaros

*The kick succeeds when the majority wills it.

When the majority are a premade, the single person cant even vote.
This is also the problem in BGs where premades are present.

I dont know why you always have to comment the most basic AI Generated nonsense that everybody knows.

Today I topped dps the whole dungeon just for them to kick me before the boss.

1 way to avoid kicks is by being in combat permanently, via toys

[Hawley-firemaw]

@Saneko-ragnaros

If this is a solved problem, why do those games still have leavers, cheaters and other poor behaviour

They don’t. I have not met a cheater in DotA in many months. People abandon once in ~15 games which is basically never. Poor behavior is also non-existent for me because I have a good behavior score, and people with poor behavior cannot end up in the same match with me.

[Türiel-argent-dawn]

I got kicked for wana show a few people the forging of the crystal of the Ashbringer. And they diden’t say anything about it. Anti social freeks

[Cryptthorn-firemaw]

maybe make it so that the specific dungeon que isnt consumed when getting kicked from heroic dungeons?
since thats just an extra punch between the legs when you are getting kicked when the 3 member premade kicks you because one of their group members want the epic from last boss