Feel free to ignore me if you can´t handle differences in opinion and feel compelled to argue in a post-facts world as a result
Because the truth is that you are now, for the second time, randomly accusing me of not arguing in good faith, just because you can´t cope with me having a different opinion. So instead you now try to discredit me, which is ad hominem and says more about you than it does about me.
Or do you honestly believe you´re the first person that´s thinks it´s smart to try to troll me? Probably closer to the 10 millionth one to try and fail, seeing as I´ve been online since 1991 before the internet as you currently know it even existed
Because when you leave, even if you alrady have the next few bosses dead, you just perpetuate the problem where someone will backfill. It takes someone to actually kill the bosses a 2nd time to reduce the amount of backfills going on.
They could remove the Debuff if you’ve already completed the remaining bosses before (or at the very least you’ve donwned the final boss of that wing before) in that week. I’m sure they could code it to check for this.
It´s possible, yes, that´s why you get a priority queue for a full run if you get dropped in to backfill a run.
But actually doing it then just gives players even more reason to just push the problem onto the next person, which solves absolutely nothing for the community as a whole. Instead it just guarantees that even more people will have to deal with the same problem, instead of one person occasionally helping to solve it by using simple math and realizing that a 30 minutes debuff is longer than a 5 minute kill.
Still feels bad having to kill a boss for zero reward.
They could incentivise players to stay if they offered a reward for killing a boss again. Even if it was just some Valourstones or gold (enough to cover the repair bill you’ll get from fighting the boss again at least) or maybe a new currency that provide Bonus Rolls like we used to have.
Well, I kind of agree, but then again an lfr wing gives 234g on completion, plus whatever drops the trash have, probably anoehr ~50-100g on average
And you get neither if you leave early.
Sure, 250-400g for 5 minutes isn’t comparable to actual goldmaking techniques… but it should still easily cover the repair costs of most LFR runs. And with the way and frequency some people complain about how “super expensive everything is”, it´s surprising that they’re shafting themselves out of that sum for 5 minutes work and then saddling themselves with the deserter debuff on top… I gladly take it and I don´t have any problems with gold by any stretch… then again, maybe grabbing low hanging fruit like this if I’m already there anyway is a part of why I have multiple goldcaps to begin with… To paraphrase a German idiom in WoW currency, Honor the copper or you´re not worth the gold
yes and no, take the 1st wing for example you get in on reverb you get that 250g for completion you go back in to kill crucible to clear the wing for purposes of loot, if i was to stay and kill ric again all id get is 30g for clearing the wing again and a small amount of valorstones, also trash drops what a laugh all the trash drops is vendor greys and there’s very little trash on the way to reverb.
theres no incentive to re kill reverb if you get put in at him a extra 40 vs isn’t going to get ppl to stay and rekill a boss they have already killed
A little extra that is just a thank you for staying and killing this again would be a welcome move. A little pop up window that says something like “Re-complete Bonus 500g” would make the player feel a bit better about staying.
Currently re-killing a boss feels bad. Worse than a chore, almost a punishment.
Ehm, ok, just logged in on a lowbie altr that ran lfr to check.
I honestly didn´t ever register that they reduced the recomplete reward to 84g24s, I was actually quite sure that it was still the same reward the way it used to be.
Yeah, that arguably needs adjustment upwards to make the requeue not feel like a chore.
@ trash drops: trash also drops raw gold, and not as little as you might think, in addition to a few gold worth of vendorable grays crud and the occasional green item, and crafting mats if you have the proper professions (Darkmoon cards and cloth from humanoids, and engineering scrap is also quite plentiful in the current raid) It all adds up in the end. For example in Nerub’Ar a full clear, regardless of difficulty, was ~4000-4500 in raw gold just from bosses and trash, and LoU is actually a little higher because there´s significantly more trash.
@ rik Reverb: Just because one specific boss doesn´t have that much trash doesn´t mean it holds true for all of them, for example the way from Bunkjunker to LSprocketmonger is actually quite decent for raw gold, and I´ve seen a few BoEs drop even in LFR on that stretch. Unless of course you´re doing the “skip everything humanly possible” variant, which is specifically blocked off in LFR by unkillable guards.
Once again, arguing fringe cases just to be able to play the victim does not bear relevance to the general point. In your own interest, please stop.
not playing the victim here the problem is once the remaining wings are out and ppl are chain queueing if they get the last of a 2 boss wing they wont want to reclear that entire wing just to satisfy ur needs for every1 not to leave half done wings, they will want to dip out the wing the have completed and jump into the next one, id wager that if what you prepose came in and they had to go into a win twice we would see multiple ppl afking untill the grp was forced to disband they wouldn’t participate in the remainder of that wing.
the players in this game dont do anything for nothing I’ve come to learn that over the many years I’ve been playing this game
Who ever said anything about a third run? Because the way the system works is that if you get to be the pinch hitter in your first run, your next run is guaranteed to a full clear. Last time I checked, 1+1 still= 2 and not 3.
You´re now the 4th person arguing in bad faith just to be able to play the victim card… Any more takers while we´re at it?
And for all the asinine hyperbole and posturing that has been presented, I still haven´t seen a single suggestion, from any of you, how to solve or at least reduce the actual problem of the first person leaving, instead of just tring to put ever more band aids on the victims… Because of course it´s pointless to try to stop fires from even starting when you can just improve the burn ointment , or give everyone a million bucks in a hyperinflation scenario where a loaf of bread costs 250k… But Hey, at least I got a million bucks, right?
That´s what´s really ridiculous here, how you complain about wasting your time, but then turn around prove with your statements that you´d still rather be saddled with the first requeue, instead of simply discouraging the person that started the chain from leaving in the first place and saving yourselves the 15-30 minutes for the second search. Because that eats even more of your time than the clear does, but i understand that math is hard.
What a joke, and not a good one, either… but by all means feel free to keep playing it on yourselves while you refuse to address the root cause and get forced deal with the symptoms, instead, in a futile attempt to “win the internet” in a discussion that was efffectively over before you even entered the thread
And then nobody that loses a tank will ever get their run completed and 24 people have to requeue, just as was commonplace both when it was shown what bosses were already killed as well as in the TWW pre season when there was no deserter after the first boss.
Because you know just as well as I do that your time is so unbelievably precious that neither you nor anyone else will ever do anything but set the “full run” flag, unless you´re getting mythic gear for helping out in LFR.
What a wonderfully self centered “solution”, “Its not my problem, screw the community, it´s all about me not wasting my time”
Says the person that started off saying it should be more punishing right off the bat. Your argument was nonsensical crap from the get-go ignoring the multitudes of reasons why people leave… you just want to punish JUST BECAUSE.
But whatever. You keep spewing your verbal vomit that I didn’t bother reading 90% of. I’m done here.
Yes, hat much is painfully obvious, you simply read “increase” and “account wide”, stopped reading and thinking about why that might be useful in the big picture, and instead decided to go on the attack because you can´t or don´t want to see beyond your own little saucer at what else is on the table.
But thank you for leaving, as no rational person needs to discuss issues of substance with someone that blames others for their own knee-jerk reactions clocking themselves in the chin
to offer in return.
