Communion, Dreamflight, deep breath, stasis + projecton on magic
Resto shaman is on par with Prevoker said by many rank1 healers while resto druid being on top.
If u think you can be carried by one medicore bandaid ability then by all means create prevoker and see how it goes, I doubt u will get more rating than u got as your max xp.
If you donât have high xp and you donât play the class then you donât fully understand it, itâs that simple. Problem is not with evoker but with people not knowing how to counter it.
Ok hereâs one more thing, did u know that u can press purge and delete dream breath hots essecialy deleting prevokers highest healing ability that he canât reapply because of the cd, thereâs so many way to counter prevoker itâs unreal but yeah skill issue and game awareness is whatâs holding u back.
U got 300 rating in 2s and 1500 in solo shuffle with 400 games played. If u ever get to a lil bit higher rating u will notice that shroud is pretty much useless. And most of your heal hots are gonna get purged.
Neither of these are particularly usefull tools against cc, and dont go near making up for having to be in melee to heal.
Its like saying remove disc priest range because they have shields and sw:death to stop cc and thats plenty enough so they shouldnt get 40y range on topâŚ
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because it needs skillcap and isnt just a braindead button doesnt mean it isnt. And thats the whole point. Shroud is just that, a skilless toxic designed button that does too much for what effort it needs.
Evoker has those tools + also good cooldowns and throughput that allready make up for many things.
Why are all these prevokers coming so delusional and biased towards such a stupid design for pvp
THats just so dumb of an argument. Disc has 1 tool to actually counter incoming cc that only also only works when that cc breaks on dmg. While it laos doesnt have any mobility, lacks consistant throughput and mana in long games.
For someone who says that you are tryharding bit too much typing walls of text, itâs clearly not useless if you are against nerf of it so much 
P.S You canât make out of 1.4 on rdru with almost 400 games, maybe that shroud is the reason why you got free rating on prevoker? 
Also i am not sure if itâs only me, but i got dced quite few times in shuffle using verdant embrace and losing rate for nothing. Would be nice if theyâd fix this ground land dc bug, been a thing since expac.
I got 1950 in first week of ranked against multi r1 and was fighting mostly prevokers so I doubt I got carried by meme shroud, meanwhile even multi glads were stuck on 1.7k-18k for 3 weeks.
As for rdruid I play it for memes with dmg build instead of regular hug pillar god heals, donât really care about the meta spec since it ainât fun to play but resto druid is way better than prevoker.
Why do I defend, well I pretty much defend every healer since this expansion is so bad and unbalanced and playing healers is not a good thing to do.
Reason? Check sq ladder a lot of ppl with 3k in sq are hardstuck on 1.5k in 2s and 3s as dps. Check the suffering of top r1 healers on awc and streams. Healers are bad and hard to play so yeah Iâll fight for every healer spec to get buffs.
every healer needs shroud, is this what youre saying lmao
this ability is toxic af and im saying this as a healer so dont act like youre the spokesperson for healers.
what most healers need is a throughput buff and not an ability that prevents any teams that are facing evokers from playing the game for 1/3 of the time
Every micro cc needs to be pruned, meta is too fast.
Without shroud there is no prevoker, itâs a dead spec.
Main heal for prevoker is 1yard range aka verdant embrace, while doing that u can get micro stunned/rooted/stunned/cced/purged/cleaved/swapped on etc etc etc
CC from prevoker is 25 yards againt putting u on a very rough spot.
Heals are 30yards which against makes u in range for a lot of dps to cc you for free.
If shroud needs to be removed then Verdant Embrace and other Voker spells need to be 40 yards/
Based on AWC and r1 twitch games, prevoker heals the same as any other healer.
Thereâs nothing more toxic than this forum where people just whine and cry for nerfs.
I can also cry about priests how they do godlike dmg, spam purges, ressurect in arena have ranged stun that guarantees fear, mindgames,swd a cc, 40yard heals pillar hump , flying to avoid all melee dmg while still being able to heal, holy ward etc etc but I donât.
All u have to do is press purge 3 times and Prevoker is in a very bad spot but no you people just want to ruin all classes/specs you donât care about anyone just yourselves, now thatâs whatâs toxic.
Im all for buffing evoker in other departments like range and what not.
Fact is, shroud is the most toxic ability in the whole game. Sad part is that you dont realize it or dont want to see it since youre evoker yourself.
oh, and remove holy ward too, i could not care less. Its the same toxic mechanic afterall, although shroud is obviously on another level.
My problem with these kinda abilities is that you cant play the game aka do goâs because you need to purge it first or wait it out. The meta is too fast, you barely got time to do it if at all and that means, youre 1 go behind right from the start which is a massive disadvantage. Its not hard to understand.
sw death is arguably a better âcounter to ccâ than dream projection.
That leaves deep breath, which in itself ccâs you, so ccâing yourself for 2 - 4 seconds (depending on flight range) AND using your biggest offensive cooldown, to hopefully pre-shot an incoming cc is again, not a âcounter to ccâ.
shroud is the compensation for a range that isnt meant to work in pvp, arguing that its OP without taking into account the gigantic weakness its here to adress is just showing poor understanding of the game
its not a back to back comparison if swd is better or not.
Also you forgot stasis btw. Its about the amount of things you have not 1:1 comparing every single to to swd.
Dream projection can litterly dispell your magic cc so can stasis.
Both flights (you just ignored that there are 2 btw) can deny cc that has cd and can kill momentum if used correctly . The only thing is that it need awareness and with it skillcap.
SHroud doesnt even close to that level. It may be useless into mages but even with it, you press one button and for the next 30 second you deny complete propper go from every setup comb. ITs design is just bad for pvp.
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I said before that what rank 1, top 0.01% of glads with Korean reflexes do NOT reflect the ânormal people ratingâ with slower APM and awareness.
What I mean: Top 1 Glads say that Mark hunter is D tier garbage. But guess what? How many of you have died to their 1-shot double tap? Maybe its because none of us here in the forums are Top 1 and can react in a split second to their opening. That is why the representation of Mark hunters in lower ratings is SUPER high! And that is ALSO why they get nerfed tomorrow. Because its not fun for the 99% of people. The Top 1 guys donât care.
Same thing with the Shroud. Its NOT a fun mechanic to deal with if you are part of the 99% of people that are not glads.
And the thing with purges that you (Rdruid) donât understand is that it costs 5k mana each time. Sure, I can spam that to my hearts content but if you do that, then you run out of mana in 40s and its game over.
And now, we add an extra layer of complexity: Choosing GCD in Purge vs. Heal. Since time immemorial, low rating arenas are all about blowing all CDs at the beginning of the match. Thats what ânormal peopleâ do.
Problem is: Its the exact moment I have to be spending GCDs in healing people so they dont die. No GCD left for purges. Meanwhile, my team cant land a single CC on anybody because of the stupid shroud.
Thats what seems unfair to me. Its a stupid OP skill in the ânot glad levelâ rating brackets.
Cheers!
I climbed first week of season 1 ranked in 3s against rank 1 players to 1950, I won against a lot of them and Im not a person with ââkorean reflexesââ.
Idk I never died in DF to MM, problem with MM was in season 4 shadowlands, I can assure u that even top players were flopping to double tap there.
Most prevokers are so trash they just run on the open and u can spam purge before even the fight starts?
Also If u play a healer I assume? In this meta itâs not healers job to cast CC so even if u play on lower rating all u have to do is watch ur positioning and just spam heals.
Some top shamans like cdew dont even take hex as a talent.
Also there are so many ele shamans and shadow priests they can also spam purge as they usually do.
Well I can also list things that are unfair to me like dps pressing 1,2,3 and winning 5-6 rounds in SQ while I play piano on keyboard to win 4 games or forced to have 3:3 because 1 dps has 0 wins.
Also I find it unfair that shamans have windsheer with basically no CD so I canât cast entire game and when I do manage they just ground but again.
Like I find annoying stuff literally about any class. spec but I donât whine about it, just learn how to play against and enjoy life. Cheers
Ok. You never died do 1-shot gimmics, and you climed to 1950 rating. Got it.
But you are far from being representative of the mean rating of the community which is currently at around 1500/1600.
And all your whining of Rsham stuff while being a Rdruid makes me laugh. I wont bother listing them out because as you might already know, its not as if Rdruid has his own set of OP stuff.
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