If you don’t want people to reply and discuss, why did you make a forum post? Do you just want people to agree with you and move on?
Moreover, I can’t only comment on my experience and it may be that other evokers have different. It’s all relevant and part of discussion.
The problem here is lacking expirience and the ability to get the full potential out of abilites is the base of what your opinion comes from.
When you can not fully understand the skillcap and potential of the class, you can not propperly discuss about its balance.
But you have not replied to half of my points.
So what you’re saying is that your super skilled and only your point of view is relevant? I am unskilled and therefore my point is invalid?
I think that your opinion of shroud being a balanced and needed mechanic for evoker comes from a lack of experience and overall game knowledge.
No, but you problems can be fixed by better decition making and getting better at the specc, class and arena/pvp.
Im just completly against simplyfing and having no brainer abilities that take so low effort for so much gain. like shroud.
Id apreciat it beeing more like priests avoid cc with like death. Really short duration and instant with same cd.
Not sure where your opinion of having a lack of game knowledge and experience has come from?
SW death is a much better ability than nullifying. I’d 100% swap abilities.
i just said the usage of shroud would be like that.
Same cd, 3-4 sec duration, dispellable but instant.
That way you need awareness in stressign situations, time it correctly and don’t fu** up all ither non purge and cc spammers taht rely on setup to get kills.
I still think evoker doesnt need this ability at all, but when Blizzard really wants evo to have such a ability, then atleast in this way.
Based on your posts here about prevoker
Im pretty sure evoker is 30 yards range no? I remember something got changed. But idc, give evoker 40y range and remove shroud. Ill take that instantly
Verdant Embrace is melee ranged spell soo yeah, imagine going in face of enemy dps/casters, super easy to cc prevoker then and its every 15 sec.
If they give all spells including verdant 40yards im down, way better than shroud.
Also sleep is 25 yard a meme cc.
prevoker has 30y devoker has 25y
Funny how people cite the top 0.01% of glads to get their point across.
You know that 90% of people dont have that skill, nor are they in those leagues. The top glads do NOT represent the state of a class. Not even close.
Ive heard 1000 times how a class is OP, but nobody mentions that only if you play it at 400APM. Rogue is one of those. If your perfect, you absolutely destroy people. if your not, you get 1shot in every game.
Well guess what, the same thing happens but in reverse. There are classes that are are total garbage in Glad level, but, in matches against people with low APM they absolutely destroy.
One example of that was S1 shadowlands Convoque Druid. Remember that? Convoque could be interrupted. If you had lightning fast reflexes of the glads, then you interrupt the thing before it even casts 1 spell and thats it. You won the arena.
If you were a normal person (90% of the population) then you took minimum 1s to interrupt that cast. But in 1s, you were dead, or left at 10% life.
Convoque was an OP ability back in the day, but not for the pros but for the vast majority of normal people. Same thing with shroud. Regardless of the range Pvoker has.
I mean, Dragonflight is undoubtely the most buggy expansion of WoW history. Because they always do it on my saps and it pisses me off.
Btw, I really wish they would destroy assa and make Sublety viable again, AND WITH MORE COMPS THAN JUST RMP. So tired of these arrogant assa rogues thinking they are good because they know how to enable bleeds. Holinka’s pvp design is frustrating to me.
Well if u were paying attention most 0,01% said that AWC tournament in DF felt uncorrdinated and baboonfest like solo queue since meta is trash and only matters who presses buttons faster and has better comp and rng.
Rogues is no longer one of those that can destroy people, whaaz is god of rogues and he lost 0/3 to 2 different teams and on top of that to even worse rogue.
Yeah I remember convoke and even on some awcs in SL top glads flopped to it and even on 1.6k rating ppl were interrupting it, problem was when u play a melee cleave and ur healers doesnt have interrupt, that’s why resto shamans were super popular, they were insanely good into convokes and fire mages.
Shroud is not that good lol, idk on what rating u play but on majority ppl just spam purge it super fast and evoker is in melee pretty easy to interrupt, cc, attack, cleave, you name it even for low rated players.
As someone who played prevoker i’d say that shroud needs a nerf or replacement. As i understand, the reasoning behind it is a reduced spell range on skills and verdant embrace, which puts you in a position where you can get easily cced/swapped ( happened multiple times on awc ). Still CC immunity is toxic in any shape and form, no matter how hard you will try to justify it, since most of the time it’s a no-brainer.
There are comps that struggle less compared to others, but still.
While we are at prevoker i believe that due to recent changes, aka dream projection is dispellable now, fighting opponents that can purge dots will be really hard. While you can say same on Resto druid, difference is that our healing dots have pretty solid cd, so i am not sure how things will go now.
You said it yourself. People in SD S1 brought shamans specifically to counter the OP ability of the druid. What do we do know? Healers HAVE to be shamans and priest that can purge the shroud?
“Evoker in melee is easy to inerrupt, cc, attack, cleave”: A) Best caster mobility in the game. B) casting while moving C) ALL instant cast/uninterruptible.
A bellow average evoker can kite a Monk. While the monk needs real skill to keep up. Its not even comparable.
Well sub is viable 
You could see its performance also at the awc.
It funny how i also told that sv is really good, and now we’be seen it in action aswell and doing well.
Both have just limited combs and are bot played often, but that doesnt mean they are garbage.
But yeah → sheep to prevent communion
Any sort of immunity buff just doesnt belong in the game let alone have 3 charges!
by “so many good tools to counter cc on him” you mean one 3 min cd ability that is also our only big healing cd ?
that alone should compensate our short range and heal that puts us in melee range ?