What are the reasons for keeping raids from previous expansions in the weekly lockout cycle?
To further define “older raids”:
Raids from previous expansions like:
Vanilla
The Burning Crusade
Wrath of the Lich King
Cataclysm
Mists of Pandaria
Warlords of Draenor
Legion
Battle for Azeroth
Shadowlands
I assert that most people run older raids for mounts, transmog or achievements, not to progress the bosses anymore. I understand that botting may be a potential problem due to the selling of the dropped gear but there are already more efficient ways in getting gold anyway, not to mention the token…
If someone wants a specific tier piece / set from a raid then he / she can only do it once a week. What are the reasons for “time gating” that activity?
Those mounts and transmogs are special because of that timegating.
You could easily get ashes of alar in a day without the lockout.
When you are collecting purely cosmetic items, the anticipation of “will i get it this week” is a very good part.
You don’t have to try to get them. You will not be weaker if you don’t get it.
You could also say “why not be able to /spawn old bosses in front of you so that you can farm those items faster?”
That is a tiny step further than your proposal to do away with lockouts, but I think you can see how insane that would be.
And while it annoys me quite a bit at times. I think the transmog pieces I have earned would not even feel slightly as special and rewarding as they do now.
It’s just a mount
Not like its so rare you only see 2% of players run around with it
People acting like mount drop are special But in the end they are just mounts over half the players already have
And have you seen the droprates i don’t want to do the same raid for 5 years for that 1 mount with a 1% or 2% drop while someone got it on there first few tries
I do understand your point that certain items feel special when they drop but after all you are just rolling a dice once a week with every boss you kill. The fact that item drops are about rolling a dice, the weekly lockout is just wasting time of the unlucky player that wants to have a insignificant item.
Some mounts or titles i.e. cannot be obtained anymore and i agree with the fact that those have some kind of special value. I am not asking for those things. I don’t PVP and therefore i won’t get any arena mounts there are and that’s fine.
I also agree with the fact that removing the weekly lockout technically increases the drop rates however that is not a bad thing when it comes to collections. You still have to sit down and put in the effort and roll the dice. Players / collectors already increase their chances for the drops anyway in making several alts which i feel is unnecessary and inconvinient when it comes to collecting stuff in the game.
If half the players have it, why don’t the other half have it? Becuase it’s behind a weekly lockout raid that you have to put effort and likely significant time into getting.
Aka, it is at least somewhat special due to the lockout.
Sooooo exactly what I said. People who don’t want to put in the time to get it, which makes it so that IN GENARAL the ones that do will have it, the ones who don’t, won’t.
Thanks for proving my point.
Collectionists put the effort in. They have their mountcoutn and transmogcount because they put the effort in. They have those special items because they put the effort in.
If you ‘want’ to have that insignificant item, you will go back week after week.
If you feel you ‘deserve’ to have that same item, you might not.
Are you sure you don’t just feel entitled to have the item without putting in the time? “I deserve to have it TODAY, I don’t want to wait weeks”
I think that limited items have their place in this game and that does include the mounts/mogs etc from older raids.
I appreciate the frustration of the item not dropping this lockout but counterbalanced by the anticipation when you first set foot into the raid after reset wondering if this is the week.
It’s time gated because it’s a big part of WoW.
Which has annoyed me insanely much.
If i want to run Dragon Soul a 100 times a day for a chance of the mount or transmog.
I should be able to, without having to have 200 alts of the same class and spec.
It’s such a bad system, but i doubt it’ll go away soon.
I am not entitled to have anything in a game but if i want something out of an older raid then i don’t see the reason anymore to wait another whole week to get another chance. Removing the time gating doesn’t make it drop faster or more often, it just allows me to do the grind whenever i want to.
Just like Cindermewl said:
I am not asking for the rewards of the current content or items, titles or mounts that were already removed. All i am asking for is the allowance to grind out older content for transmog or mounts without the time gating.
Those items are not special because of the weekly lockout. They are special because they look particularly good, although good is subjective, or because they have a low drop chance. The weekly lockout is not contributing anything to how a special an item is. For older content it is just a time waste now
I absolutly respect that and i don’t expect everyone to agree with me or like the idea.
Of course a daily lockout makes an item more special. The easier it is to obtain the less special something is.
“because they look particularly good” makes something DESIRABLE, not special. Something can be non-special but desirable, and the opposite, special but not desirable is also possible
Of course it does. Having to travel to the raids is a huge part of farmtime, unless you keep your char parked outside the entire time.
To say that it doesn’t make it faster and laziness is not part of your point is extremely dishonest.
And as I said, the lockout DOES make them more special because it splits the people who value the item more than the time it takes to get it from those who value their time higher than the item. That is what differentiates top tier collectionists from mid level ones (and before anyone says it: no, i am not “top tier”, i am low-mid)
I agree with that to an extend. However it doesn’t make it harder to obtain something because you have to wait X amount of days to repeat a process that you already do on multiple characters anyway, assuming you really want something.
You are right that you may obtain an item faster, depending on how much time you invest into actively farming for it.
I am not being lazy if i ask for infinite chances to get one particular drop. Waiting for the process to repeat doesn’t increase the effort you need to put in.
I still have to go to the raid, i still have to kill the boss(es), i still need to roll the dice and i still need to reset and do it all over again. The effort required to actively farm for it is the same but you just spend less time waiting for another chance.
In fact now i need multiple characters to simulate the same effect i am asking for.
I want to clarify that “putting in the effort” and convenience are distinct but related to each other.
Of course it makes it harder. Obviously not in the “m+20 is harder than m+10” way.
hard, adverb:“with a great deal of effort” it’s the “effort” part that comes into play here.
It is without question more effort to fly to ICC from dala every week than to just leave, reset raid and go again.
see example above. Unless you park your char outside the raid, it IS more effort.
What about old reps that you can only farm with daily quests? I assume you want those gone as well. Who decides what to change and what to leave unchanged?
Do you know how many shadowmourne boxes would immediately flood the market if raid lockouts were gone?
I’ ll respect the fact that we disagree.
However i absolutly dislike baseless assumptions about factors that i obviously didn’t consider otherwise i would have already mentioned them. In fact i never mentioned reputations in this topic and i think i clearly stated what my intentions are.
Additionally i specifically asked for reasons to use “time gating” or weekly lockouts.
So yes, reputations are certainly a reason for the weekly lockout.
I don’t and i think we both have to make assumptions to answer that question.
