Remove rating requirements from conquest gear upgrades #LAST

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That is the point already. You must struggle before rising up in the ladder.

Let me summarize my first week arena journey;

It was 4 AM or something, I created a group, a gnome monk applied he was 1500 rating I was zero, I reached beyond 1400 with him in an hour with 76℅ winrate. I didn’t intend to play with him further we said thanks to each other and said goodbyes, he also got alot of rating out of our short partnership.

Then I found a paladin healer, we pushed near Rival but failed when we were 1 match away from Rival, we stopped I tried with 2 other healers and went down on CR to 1670 or something. Next day that paladin whisped me and I could carry him to beyond Rival but I couldn’t because of lower starting CR, for some weird reason he removed me from battle net when I logged off probably thought that I was not a good fit to climb, I whisped him “Did you remove me without saying anything, what a weirdo, let me block you then, lol”. That was the end of our partnership with that Paladin.

I tried with 2 other healers, one of them got dced or used altf4 rightaway in the first match, probably ragequit because of rogues, other one left the group after 2 matches a resto druid. These dumb people need to learn communication, I also leave some healers but I say something before I leave and give them a chance to prove something first then say something like “Alright, apparently monk sucks I’ll leave here, good luck to you :smiley_cat:” and leave after that…

At last, I found a good healer, we were both patient, we knew that we were just unlucky with our losses, we kept playing and climbed together. For now we stopped until next week gearing, we will reach 2100 together with our new gear after reset.

See? I’ve been through alot of things for that gear upgrade while all you do is clicking random bg queue button and eating potato chips during battle. It is not fair for random bg players to acquire equal items to us.

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This is illogical.

You know, people have it pretty hard in the raids as well. While you were doing your queues, they have been wiping like all hell. What now, they should get gear that is even better than yours because they slaved more? They shouldn’t, right? Because they did PVE and you did PVP, these are different forms of content.

But arenas / rated BGs and random BGs are different forms of content as well. So, yes, you should be rewarded for your time spent trying to climb in the arenas. By ratings and gear that is good in arenas. And people in random BGs should be rewarded by gear that is good in random BGs. You should not be able to switch from arenas to random BGs and automatically be geared better than people in random BGs. Because that’s a different type of content. Similarly, people in random BGs should not be getting gear better than yours in arenas and then stomp you with it in arenas. Again, because that’s a different type of content.

All expansions prior to SL provided people doing random BGs with gear that would be competitive there. For example, in some expansions, you’d be getting top gear, just slowly. They only screwed this up for SL. They should fix it. That’s all.

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What are you even talking about, do you have any idea? I play arena by using random bg gear mostly, I have 3-4 m+0 items equipped and the rest is random bg gear, I can play arena with these items, what are they complaining about.

Even with my current gear I can climb if I play more arena. In Shadowlands random bg gear is useful and all you have to do is supporting it with a few mythic+ items so that you can be competitive.

I don’t know why they are crying currently.

Arenas also have bosses with different shapes, rogues for example can kill you in 2 seconds if you don’t reach immediately, raid bosses will kill you in 3-4 seconds if you agro, which one is more difficult? :grin:

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That’s all great in the first weeks. But then it becomes different.

People doing arenas continue to get gear to be competitive in arenas. People doing M+ continue to get gear to be competitive in M+. People doing raids continue to get gear to be competitive in raids. It’s just people who do random BGs stop getting gear to be competitive in random BGs. This was not the case before and they should fix it.

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If all they are capable of doing is random bg, they don’t deserve better gear.

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By that logic, if you cannot, say, raid and can only arena, you deserve to be stomped by PVE.

It’s not that “they are only capable” of doing random BGs. It’s that people don’t like the playstyle in arenas and that rated BGs don’t have queues.

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They don’t need better gear for random bgs, lol. They can keep playing it, they can do a +8 mythic+ every week and get the same gear.

Also even unranked arena is rewarding currently, they have to endure that much. Also normal raids reward with 200 iLvL. They can kill at least 3 of them.

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People doing random BGs don’t need gear from random BGs because they can do M+? That’s your logic?

Mate, then, by the same logic, you don’t deserve gear from doing arenas, you should raid. As I said. “Stop crying”, etc.

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Who said I don’t raid? I will acquire both rated arena items and raid items and also have mythic+ weekly options at my disposal. I don’t cry.

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I wouldn’t be care as much if you could at least queue for rated stuff, bgs or arena. Every other competitive game lets you do so, it just create useless difficulties to jump in. You talked about your experience, well mine wasn’t as good.

Started rated last week, almost impossible to get into 3s or bgs because of ppl asking for a specific comp or minimum experience. I did 2s instead using the lfg group, impossible to find a healer so I just request to join any and all group that would accept me. Other guy almost always leave against one lost, stuck around 1200 rating.

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If you are fine with gear for activity X coming from activity Y, OK, but most people disagree with you.

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It takes determination for sure, I usually start my own groups in premade finder & try playing with alot of different players until i find someone who isn’t way above my ability, nor way below my level, and is also capable of & willing to learn. Albeit i’m still not very good at arena…

I’m not sure why you’re so reliant on joining other people’s groups? It could be better if you advertise yourself instead and describe the player you’re looking for in the description

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I tried but people never join my group :frowning:

My spec ain’t doing so good these days so I guess people just aren’t requesting to join.

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Exactly this. WoW doesn’t have a solo queue for rated PVP, something that all modern games do. If they add a solo queue for rated BGs, plenty of problems will go away.

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Since when have random BGs ever given good loot? It was always a stepping stone.

Although gear being behind rating I think is a bad thing

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Yeah i hear demon hunters aren’t in a great spot now, hopefully Wednesday will bring some improvements. But I’d continue with listing yourself. You could also try playing closely with a healer in a BG & seeing if you can persuade them to try some arena.

Whilst learning & finding the right person, you’ve just got to accept there will probably be alot of toxic people along the way which can be discouraging, but just keep trying

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Classic I guess, albeit I doubt anyone on this post would want to go through the grueling hours required to reach Marshal & up.

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Typical answer from a typical troll literally :joy:.

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Pretty much always.

In Cata / MoP / WoD, for example, random BGs were giving you conquest points which you used to buy conquest gear. Rated PVP was giving conquest points faster, but that’s it, the gear was the same. A guy doing arenas was geared 6 weeks into the season, a guy doing random BGs was geared 12 weeks into the season, then it was all even. In WoD, they were also scaling honor / conquest gear up in PVP scenarios to be better than PVE. So you were competitive in BGs from the start. It worked wonders.

Even in BFA, you were getting conquest gear from random BGs, just slowly. You were ending up ~15 ilvls lower than others. Now, there were also corruptions contributing to the differences, but there was scaling reducing the differences as well. The scaling was too smart for its own good, so they removed it and that’s great. But then they also removed the slow getting of conquest gear. They should have kept it. Or they can remove it, but then they should add some form of scaling to random BGs - eg, a WoD version.

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Absolutely do not change anything Blizzard. Honor gear is enough for those who like to spam Random BGs Its even upgradeable. If players want better gear they have to play better and make an effort. You know its not that scary to even pug Arenas, unless you are childish wimp. Leveling via Skirmishes is also fun and practice.