and time wasting “content” (lol?)
you can farm day and night this garbage but get 1 somehow usable item each week. and after few month all your gear is garbage?
ok…
13 a month? if that is hurting you maybe dont spend money on games … at all.
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They offered game time because the game was literally unplayable for weeks. Which was good.
They would never offer game time because getting stuck with a mount crashes the game for 5 seconds, and neither should Blizzard.
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Youd have to be delusional to beleive the standards wouldnt get worse in a f2p market.
In a non fixed income model, comes major cuts in everything to ensure profit, with incentivized p2w options removing the actual “free 2 play”
WoW would go from a 10 pound sub to be competitive, to a £3000 a month to be viable.
Its hilarious. After the first wave of f2p in the genre happened u people honestly beleive free 2 play actually exists. It simply doesnt
WoW have a f2p online game, its called diablo immortal, why not play that?.
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I really struggle to justify the sub fee when there’s like 12 hours of repetive gameplay a week in DF and rest of the time have to be filled in old content.
Looked at my stats after weekly reset. It was 3 dailies, 27 weeklies. I have no idea how that is even possible, but one thing for sure. Extremely time gated content and really not worth the price.
A compromise solution is only deduct gametime when actually online. Not sure why I bother saying it even. Wrong company to expect sanity from. However this should be required from them by law. At least one thing that’s up cancerous EU’s sleeve’s capability.
And lol this excuse that it would become toxic P2W if there were no subfee. Sorry, but that train passed long ago. P2W have been in since vanilla and it’s not going anywhere which blizz have proven a million times. Why is into the conspiracy theory area, where the truth is often hidden among a lot of crap to make it all ridiculed. Like the flat earther, why you think this was invented… yup, there you got one, a conspiracy theory from me right there.
i always repeat: 2 pint of beer are 2 hours of entertainment for the same price of a sub.
And im always amazed how are almost always people hiding behind classic chars that complain.
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normal games dont have 30-42 days (DAYS!!!1) ticket waiting time…
Likewise I am always amazed that people find this relevant to anything, but ther own heinous intents.
Maybe under certain circumstances you would understand that the subfee is steep for very delicate economies which are for most people on the planet worse than, well since 2008 at least.
It’s about priorities and wow is not just any game for a lot of people. Downprioritising this for a F2P game or similar is not really an option, but it’s alright.
There’s a counterpoint to be made here. People who can’t afford the subfee could then quit playing wow and spend the time improving economy instead. Nevermind friends, 15 years of dedication, expected return for investment, the fact that they have purchased the game and are victims of ads and propaganda, how a more expensive subfee now offer less gameplay from the fact that the game is heavily timegated and short on content compared to any other iteration of wow.
Do excuse the people who want something in return for their investment beyond portions built to leech gametime. Hint; Pet battles are not it.
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if i would struggle with money i would never play an online game. i had some “problems” years ago and i stopped to play wow for 2 years. Since my monthly fee wasnt enough.
Its a game. Friends? There is other way to be in touch with friends. I have many (some) friends and i try to get in touch IRL. For sure doin activity togheter is fun.
Investment? In game? Its a game. A game. GAME.
And as for using classic chars… I dont understand why in ANY case. But is ofc my opinion.
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A lot of people have nothing else to do and is unable to find. Would you really confine them to tetris because mario is to expensive?
Yes. A game. Which we have invested thousands of DAYS in and are not eager to drop just because economy is tight. Or because game is in bad shape for that matter. Everything got it’s limits though. And we have gotten really close to the limit of if wow sub is worth it. Of course this is an individual thing. Naturally vary a lot between people. Where some people have no problems paying a 500$ fine while others would be economically crippled for months.
And private profile. To keep people on the subject instead of pointless attempt at personal analysis which is what they should rather do with themselves trying to solve an argument with such manners.
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Maybe I’m about to say something truly unexpected, but when people find the price of a product inadeguate, they don’t buy it and move on with their life.
I pay the sub because I have fun playing WoW. If you don’t think the fun you’re having justifies the price, stop buying.
It’s extremely simple.
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Or try to make it better before you are forced to quit.
It’s extremely simple.
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i think this as a matter of priority. If im struggling with money ill play tetris.
its subjective. You talk about “bad shape”. since i disagree NOW (during SL i would agree with you 100%) i think my time investment is fully repaid.
You know what? I think many ppl complaining here with classic chars never play the game and come here to complain and trolling. This is why i hope in a future Blizz will introduce gametag.
Many will leave the game? Amen. Its an old game. It will close at a certain point.
Ofc these are ideas of mine and i never think to be right always.
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Nowhere near as many as there are retail chars complaining about everything imaginable.
The biggest trolls on this forum are hands down retail chars. Can only think of one classic char, the warlock. Sure there may be others here and there, nothing impactful. The usual pop by, whine some then two months until next time. No debate, no followup arguments. Just feedback and complaints. What does it mean? Absolutely nothing. It’s people of all sorts.
I don’t want to generalize these groups, but I can relate to the established stereotype. Let me tell you this. I would play classic and not be on this forum, but blizz have decided to murder my server. So here I am trying to promote sanity for a retail that have gone totally bonkers among with trolls and fanboys.
I get where you are coming from. And it shouldn’t be hard to understand when in theory it could/should represent a veteran player that sit on vast knowledge of the game and it’s history. What was, what is and what could be. Few weeks back found myself arguing with one who started in WOD, maybe you can tell why I facepalmed upon receiving that information and quit the pointless quarrel. At least most players from vanilla-wotlk period would understand. Even Cata-MOP.
Happy for you. Many wish they could say the same, and that’s the very essence. Telling people to quit if they don’t like it I don’t find very productive, at all. Thus the pointy angry fingers toward people wanting the game to die by just sitting in the fire saying everything is fine. The end which is inevitable if you ignore complaints and feedback. To me you cannot argue that blizzard haven’t completely lost the touch. And it show everywhere so I don’t even need to say anything. Which is also a longterm developed situation where players have been alienated en masse and when coming to this forum to voice their heart and find sanity they are met with trolls, hate and all sorts of abuse.
The players that care so much for the actual game that they go out of their way and spend precious time giving very constructive feedback (i do not claim to do this as i don’t produce constructive feedback for trolls to vomit on, i work in other ways) These are players that very often end up leaving the game for good with a very strong distaste for not only the game, but also the playerbase. Thanks to some very aggressive forum trolls only out to cause harm. Harm to the game, harm to the playerbase. They are quite easily spotted and it’s clearly not inexperience or lesser abilities. You see their wish for wow to die in their words. Unlike the worried people voicing their concern, yes by complaints in the form of feedback. It is not advanced science that when it come to feedback it is almost always negative. No feedback is synonymous with positive. If there’s nothing to complain on, woah imagine that.
Yeah this got long. Were probably far from on level, but I still liked your calm and mature response. Quite rare among all the hating trolls. Thanks for your subjectivity. We need more of us! (i do not mean to bundle you together with hating trolls, at all. it’s just… you know.)
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same. i was replyin to you cuz you had a soft spojen tone. thanks for this exchange!
cheers
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You are at your liberty to do so, but you may find out that looking for another product is smarter, and more efficient, compared to trying to turn a product into another product.
Everyone chooses their struggles, I guess.
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It’s about the subfee. The game is already infested with the traits of both F2P and P2W so feel free to tell what product you think I am wishing for it to turn into with this subject.
Don’t hurt yourself.
You sound a bit jumpy, but that’s your problem.
I assure you, I feel extremely free to tell you what product I think you’re wishing for WoW to turn into.
Have a good day. 
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Superb 
No need to hesitate, we have the freedom.
Have a good one
Does it now, remember when people said the subscription was there to keep ingame shop stuff out of the game. Now we got that including stuff like max lvl character boosts and wow tokens people are using to buy boosts with to get arena rating or ahead of the curve and some juicy gear.
wow at its prime was justified with the subscription, but honestly since we already got lots of shop stuff and even got to pay for server transfers and name changes then just remove the subscription. Especially after the crappy expansions and customer service we have been getting for years. The base game cost + in game shop should be pricy enough for wow currents state