Good, bad? I hope it will be acc wide.
Looks like it will be a sort of replacement for reputation in WoW.
If this is the case I´m fine with it.
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Renown as a max level progression system is fine if it’s not tied to player power.
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Why can’t they just go to reputations…?
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Just make these factions’ reputations x/40 or something, with increments of 1.
Don’t have both reputation AND renown, it’s silly and redundant.
I’m not excited to see renown back but I’ll wait to see what they’ve got planned.
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Not excited at all honestly
And then, 2 weeks from launch. Oops, we added covenants in the form of dragonflights lol.
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I do not dislike the idea idea of renown to unlock cosmetics. But if i get blocked from seeing the story on my character because i have to wait a few weeks with renown farming then its just going to be a gigantic pain in the rear and not worth playing at the start of the expansion at all. The same if any borrowed power systems are linked to it. If thats the case it will be better to just wait for catch up mechanics to release before starting to play
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If they progress at the same rate, renown can give us more rewards. The rep system needs an overhaul at this point anyway.
And if they make renown easier to get every week like they did in Shadowlands, alts will have no trouble catching up like they do now.
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If this new Renown will be replacement for reputations, then I am perfectly fine with that.
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This is pretty disappointing if I’m honest
It could be okay I suppose, but the way you got renown in shadowlands was just so annoying.
Any and all gating is bad. Any system that forces you to play more for no actual reward that makes it worth it, and you can only get X amount for in X amount of time, is bad.
So in short, bad. Just one more example of recycling another bad system they already used before.
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I would like this even as a replacement for reputation. I dislike the amount of reputation vendors, it is hard to keep track of them for me at this point. My only (big) fear is timegating.
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This is fine, as long as it’s not gated in any way shape or form, and you can max it out at your own pace from the very start of the expansion. Gating is the bane of any game.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly , so tired of pointless timegating that is lifted a patch later.
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As long as it’s account bound. Idc.
I’ll do any grind, once.
I mean it’s not exactly hard to set a flag for renown levels.
If you have renown maxed, just flag a player as max renown on all characters with an achievement.
Same with story progress. Especially for crap like korthia, we really don’t need a repeat of that.
Story is cool first time, then it’s annoying, then it’s tedious, then you just wait for the next patch.
If you like the story make it optional, if not add a skip button to get to current content.
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If they make renown account-wide and chill with the timegating, I’m down. They can either remove timegating completely or allow you to go far into the renown on release, just not all the way and add +X levels each patch with new rewards. If they don’t make it account-wide though, timegating doesn’t even matter, because I’m not doing it on release, period and we’ll meet in 10.3.5 I guess 
Renown Over Reputation
Reputation hasn’t changed much since 2005, and there isn’t much visibility in how rep is earned or what rewards are earned.
Renown solved a lot of those problems, offering a more streamlined and elegant way for measured and steady progression, laying out goals on a visible track that players can work towards at their own pace.
Earning Renown won’t necessarily be the same structured weekly quest like Shadowlands, but more open ended objectives.
They will definitely award cosmetics and usable gear for outdoor players who don’t do Mythic+ or raid, but no player power outside of what’s available elsewhere.
Reputation hasn’t really changed much since literally 2005. There’s this old structure of like 3,000 points, then 6,000, then 12,000, then 21,000, if you go from Honored to Revered to Exalted, it gets progressively harder to reach the next tier. There isn’t much visibility in how we give you rewards, you have to find a vendor or quartermaster somewhere and look ahead to see what’s required, and I think there’s aspects of how covenant renown worked in Shadowlands that solved a umber of those problems in terms of a more measured steady progression, laying out on a track what goals were ahead of you, and I think that’s something that we want to adapt to some of our end game structure in Dragonflight.
So imagine instead of your Venthyr Renown or your Night Fae Renown, it’s this centaur clan or the Explorer’s League that you’re gaining renown with, and working towards unlocking goals along the way. Not necessarily through the same structured weekly quest, where you have to do the same quest every week for your covenant, but more open-ended objectives. In terms of things that would be available through these tracks, nothing we’ve currently planned is that sort of auxiliary multiplicative player power that lies outside of our other systems. Of course there will be cosmetics, of course there will be gear there - if you’re that outdoor world player who doesn’t do Mythic+, who doesn’t do progression raiding, all those players still want, deserve, and need gear progression of their own, and I think this is a more streamlined and elegant way to have those goals that you can work towards on your own pace, as you choose to help this group or that group as you log in every day.
Ion talked about this in a lot more detail in his interview with Hazel, but the general point is that renown is replacing reputation for the four new “factions” (for lack of a better word) in Dragonflight, to solve two main problems:
- Reputation has very few reward points in it, and they take progressively more time/effort to reach.
- You have to go to a specific vendor, or to an out of game resource like Wowhead, to even see what rewards are potentially available.
Renown allows them to give rewards more consistently as you progress with a faction, and also allows you to see through the game’s UI exactly what rewards are available and when you’ll receive them.