You can get into premades and all kinds of ppl who are toxic in BGs. Should we delete BGs?
Same in World PvP. Should we delete World PvP?
People can be Toxic anywhere. Does not mean RSS is the problem.
You dont need to answer back. Just ignore and continue play.
You can get ppl who grief in all forms of gameplay.
Imagine being with a toxic person.
Then next game you get is also with him.
Ive played RSS and gotten in the same RSS with 1-2 other ppl who were in my last RSS.
As long as the âSolo Queueâ cannot be faced against a premade sure. Still wouldnt fix any aspect of the toxicity some ppl are willing to use.
We have no idea if it would give less queue. But if it did, it wouldnt be compared to 6 âmatchesâ in a single RSS.
In my experience, most ppl who have the biggest queue is the ones playing the most active specs.
DPS or Healer can both troll in both forms.
Imagine playing 3 Solo queue and loose 3 solo queue in a row. That would also be âtime wasteâ.
Ppl normally feel their time is wasted if they do not get a good enough progression out of the time spent.
rnd bg have no rating, no long que time, is more casual, sometimes u have a premade, who cares u dont lose rating
is anyway dead wouldnt change anything if u delete it
it´s a part of a problem, and the most bans for beeing toxic came from solo shuffle andys, Iâve never been flamed as often or as violently as in shuffle, and i have played m+, myth raid, lfg tool, arena with twinks/mates
i talked about, that u can have a griefer for 3-4 games, doesnt matter if u ignore him, he will still feed and waste your time, solo shuffle is just a bad lazzy game concept, no reason to deffend it
Happens only if the Season is as deflated as it is now, otherwise, the chance is smaller.
yeah in solo shuffle for 6 rounds nice
we do, longer games cuzes (longer que times) solo que games wouldnt last as long as solo shuffle games
first of all, Faster games, and you donât have the chance to get the same player when you know he feeds 6 games
everyone have long ques except healer
no reason to deffend a awful system, what failed in under 1 xpac
But ppl are still toxic every now and then in those BGs. synced premades are massively toxic etc.
It would. Since there are ppl who still fly around and do it. Dead to me would mean noone plays it.
We have data of that?
And even if âmost bansâ are related to being toxic in RSS. How is that RSS fault? People need to start take accountability for their actions.
Ive played some RSS, not as much as other ppl, and I rarely get flamed. Might have something to do with me not automatically attacking ppl for anything? I dont know since I see toxic behavior as a people issue and not gamemode issue.
I dont mind if they reworked RSS and completely revamped the MMR system.
But just âdelete itâ and proclaim it will fix PvP is being slightly delusional at best.
Solo queue, depending if you actively make it so solo queuers dont feed and give free points to premade 3s players, would be the same as RSS - 5 matches in one round.
Imagine being a hpala and getting into games all the time with a ret due to popularity. Glorious situation.
Ive played abit in both first and second season. Second season close to the end of the season is when it happend. But yea.
Just report, ignore any kind of âtauntâ, play and move on. Its the same in every single PvP game that I know of.
Sure. But you still have more ppl involved with the queue. You would get less games played overall compared to 6 rounds in RSS with equal time.
Yes. You go in and out faster. That would roughly be the only real differences between them. You can get into griefers every single game. Im not saying it wouldnt get slightly better in terms of not having to play with one singular griefer for whatever rounds left when he started doing it. But it can happen in normal games aswell.
Depends on how you look at it.
You can search for ppl for 3s, without rating, and you can spend quite some time in there without getting into a group because âYou are not metaâ.
Which would take longer to do?
First season this expansion I were in longer m+ queues without being invited because I didnt play a meta spec than ive seen RSS queues this season.
If people do not want to play healer, what do you expect? How many healers are there compared to dps in PvP?
The system is not great and it could def be reworked. But blaming RSS for it when its more than likely other reasons like balancing, griefers etc is abit meh.
i normally dont rage too hard in wow. shuffle manages to get to me at times tho.
if u wait 30+ mins for a lobby and lose and then have to wait another 30+ mins to redeem urself but lose again its annoying af. i never flame others regardless but i can see why people tilt out of their mind in this mode.
Wait time and frustrations can make ppl tilt/flame others. But thats not rly RSS fault but still the mentality =p
The toxicity always becomes more apparent when you put random ppl into a fight which can quite easily also be noticed in CS and LoL.
Biggest difference here (apart from queue timers mostly) is the leavers I would prob say because theres no real punishment for it that matters.
So im not really saying RSS isnt making it more visible and give out cause of frustrations due to reasons. But I would not rly say thats the gamemodes fault x)
idk, i played allot of bg´s back in bfa/sl i only had 1x a toxic conversation with an German guy, mby Peoples are more toxic since Sl because of corona idk, i never had the issue
i mean, if only 500-1k Players are playing this mode, it´s basically not relevant, if it get´s removed, because the number is so small, You will hardly notice a difference, except that maybe 1-3 people will no longer be on the bnet, i mean i dont mind if they change shuffle into solo que
i mean if someone isnt as lazzy as me we would have data, but i think it´s not too relevant for someone to make a data about it, u could hang up on reddit, and count the Post´s + screens
my half bnet got already 1-2 Times muted, because of shuffle, Me too, and i never got muted before, except the one mute in Alterac valley because i got a mass report
Problem is, Solo shuffle makes People easier to âtiltâ because of the multiple reasons what I wrote about in the other post
I would go so far to say that shuffle brings out the worst of the worst in people, it feels sometimes like League of Legends
i have played League in the past, and i cant tell u the difference between solo shuffle tbh, in League i could write âXDâ atleast when the Bot adc flame´s me
in Solo shuffle if i write xD i get reported instantly
Solo Shuffle is just an Habitat, to easily report someone, when he flames u, and people there are so sensitive, that alone to write âpls use karma when im clonedâ is a reason for them to report you
but i have to say, most of the people know, that they did something wrong at 2k+ currently, that there is no need to rub salt into the wound
i often getting flamed, while i didnt even wrote anything in the chat, for example, my heal have trinket swap rdy, i getting stormbolt and die, because they burst on me while i am on stormbolt, i die cuz healer sit the cc instead of swap trinket, i getting flamed.
i even got flamed because i played dh in solo shuffle, some healers said âi wont heal u enjoy the lose : )â because i played dh
the thing is, some peoples can have luck, and wont get flamed, i never got flamed once, on my twink what had full green gear and was at 2.1 mmr
But the more you play, the greater the chance, but as feral, even when i was on my twink, everytime a feral was in the lobby, he got Flamed so hard : D that i felt bad for the oponent
i didnt said, it will fix pvp completely, but it would help, to designe classes around solo shuffle WAS the biggest mistake, and i hope they wont do that again.
Imagine getting 3 dh´s in your lobby for 6 Rounds, where you want to leave but when u leave u run the risk to get banned GREAT SYSTEM!!!
Imagine getting 6 Rounds with your biggest Counter unfun to play against classes
Imagine u getting 6 Rounds with an Male nightelf mm hunter 1000-1400 Feeder where there is a good chance that he will go out with 0 wins and 6 loses
or a player who will end the game with 0 kills, gg ngl no reason to defend the crap 6 rounds system, most of the players hate it, nobody asked for shuffle, rounds
Most of the Peoples just Defend shuffle at the start, because it was easy to get rewards, while u dont need to have mates to get these rewards, and also the skill requirement was not that high, but if u give these Peoples the reward per Mail, do you think they would still que solo shuffle? most of them wouldnt que a single game
So most (not everyone) but most of the Peoples just played it because of easy rewards like sl ssn2 mount
Sure, would love to see, different rewards, or less Rounds, and not balancing around Shuffle, and keep it as an extra fun mode, when someone is bored and wants to play Arena, but dont have any Mates to play with.
wont fix anything, they come back like Fruit Flys, i got 4 Auto Report mails from Blizz because i reported russian Outlaw/Dh bot´s do you Think they wont come Back again in under 1 Week?
if u have a Job u litteraly dont Care about to buy the Hero edition every 4-6 Months
i would prefer not soul draining fast games over soul draining long games by all cost, i dont even care if i have less Played games in long term, but it´s easier to manage it mentally (and is the whole reason of solo que)
Blizz made a new Custom thing, a completely New thing, without hearing to the Community, without listening to Feedback. this idea came from some High Ceo
and it failed, cuz they dont listen to the community as always.
i have a higher chance to get a Griefer, but the Chance to get a Griefer in a Solo shuffle is higher, when u count the 1 Griefer as 6 Griefer
idk there is no way how solo shuffle is good in any way, otherwise a different game would have the same system, but they dont, because they know this system fails in too many Circumstances
i wont say it is bad, that peoples can play without having mates, but shuffle is just bad designed, i would say as bad as dh´s tbh
and i played for years on a privat server, and Solo que felt 100000x better, and u also had there a chance to get Griefers, like i said most of the Peoples asked for solo que, not shuffle, what do we get? shuffle, Ignorance of a Blizzard Ceo, at its finest
i wouldnt even mind, if u have 2 different Solo que gamemodes, the full solo Que, and the Duo que, where u can que up with one of your Friends, in a 3v3 bracket.
i play Feral, and i had the same que time as with my ww monk ^^
Feral was for a long time not âmetaâ and i didnt had any Problems, i mean if we would Take a (NEW Player) then yeah could be possible
but most of the Peoples play Arena/Pvp for longer than 1 Season now, they should have atleast 1 Mate
For me, my Glad Premade Quit the Game after Sl ssn2, i quit Too and came back in Df ssn1 Without a Heal mate, what did i do? i was just in Lfg, and i looked an Entire Season for a Healer
now i found one, he´s not as good as my Glad Premade, but it´s still fun to play with him, and People can improve, i have seen some players where hardstuck at 1.8 in Bfa, and play now on 2.4-2.5 because they found mates to improve with
Nothing against u, and i dont denie to Find Mates in lfg isnt a Struggle, ofc it is, but most of the Peoples take it as an lazzy excuse, or are these guys, who Flame other Peoples in Lfg after 1 lose for no reason, and most of them dont even want to play. they just want rewards, and i think this is the main problem.
the lfg system it oudated, and should be reworked, but i wish we had an extra mode, where we can do a Duo que, where we are only depend on one team member, and if he is good, u can add him, and que the other mode with him.
We need better incentive for new players to actually continue playing / attempt PVP.
The % mount would be grand for this, but some (especially pre-glads) insist we keep ALL rewards gatekept behind them and their altsâŚ
⌠So getting % for it is close to impossible, you can play hours and gain nothing.
Right now, there is close to no reason to play, and its also not very fun (SS).
all he said was that we shouldnât remove rewards from arena and add them to bgs but bring new rewards instead
there are way way way too less rewards for arena/bgs right now and removing a reward from one bracket and add it to another is just the wrong direction and would make the game even worse
How come wow exists for 20 years and only the last 2 years people are being suspended by the masses. Coincides with them getting reported by their own employees.
Blizzard got into lawsuits for harrassments on the workfloor of different kinds. They had to pay massive fines. And imo their corporate policies have been reviewed and strengtgened to ensure (to the outside world) that they are doing something about it.
You commit a crime, you go to jail, behave and you get out before your end date is due.
Not much different here. We are all victim of their stricter corporate policies because they wanna play the âgood citizenâ now.
For anyone interested how Blizzard as a corporate culture was misbehaving, search: âCalifornia Department of Fair Employment and Housing v. Activision Blizzardâ
They arenât removed, they are just added.
Being able to progress for One mount, the % mount, at all - would be giving us a reason to do it.
Now, weâre just expected to put up with the salt in our wounds; no reward, only toxicity, only glads on alts.
Ive seen a couple of times ppl been toxic in BGs this expansion.
In terms of âI never had the issueâ is like me saying I never rly had the issue of toxicity personally in any mode. Ive had someone whisper me afterwards but I didnt rly care.
So basically you would want it deleted because it doesnt affect you?
And how would that soloqueue work? Against premaders? Will you be able to choose what comp you play? Will you get into Ret/Hpala situations?
If I would read reddit, mmo forum and WoW forum I would most likely turn into ⌠something bad. The amount of non honest ppl who try to gain sympathy by not telling the entire truth/story is quite insane. Its also extremely easy to do in reddit, you can flame someone and then just cut what you said and post everything he said. Its not difficult.
The difference is the ability to ignore it. The people who rage might want to take a second before they queue again. Just my thinking atleast.
It was the same in a m+ I did with a friend who literally got boosted and he started complaining and blaming the pug we brought in and I were seconds from raging at him lol. After that I just left to calm down.
They are not designing classes based on RSS. They design classes based on PvE.
RSS is about your own performance more than the others in terms of dps.
Ppl can get boosted in 3v3 for free rewards.
I only bothered with getting rewards for specific classes I play in RSS because its easier to just que up rather than look in LFG and hope ppl pick me. Sad for the ones who do not play the meta.
Then they also need to change the rewards in 2s since its easier than 3s.
So you think reporting fixes nothing? Maybe thats an issue then.
Every time I see a bot I report it for obvious reasons, if I see ppl writing certain words I will report them. If you dont want to report, then just dont, but you cant expect anything to change if noone is doing it.
Which side of the community should they listen to?
The ones who want solo que to feed premaders?
I would not be surprised if they thought this to be one of the most fair they could make it so everyone plays with everyone.
They dont rly need to have a duo que in 3v3 bracket though. 2s exist for that part. Unless you would want 2s removed aswell and basically the entire bracket is just âSolo que - Duo que - 3s premadeâ. So every single person que up for the same thing bracket that is.
Which, atleast to me, wouldnt be the worst. But 2s players would hate it for obvious reasons.
It feels like ppl tend to go the âPrivate servers did it better!â when they should understand that blizz might not want to do it fully like they do it. Can even be a coding they are not fully allowed to use because someone else made it. There can be any kind of issues we do not know of about it.
Yes, they could most likely been able to do a better job or people just dont need to be such griefers that they intentionally leave, afk or any of the sort because they are bad at the game from the start. Like a particular druid who bragged about leaving RSS games to ruin it for others. Imagine that huh?
Now imagine RSS without any of those griefers who just play the game to win. Dont flame or grief. What kind of difference do you believe RSS would be if so?
Try a not so much played caster. Melees dominates the activity and I wouldnt be surprised if blizz had something that made it so it should try to majority of times atleast have 1 caster in it.
I dont have a single friend who plays PvP, I tried to play some somewhere in SL I believe before I just gave up on it entirely since it wasnt worth the effort.
I know my issues very well when it comes down to it. I have the issue of expecting too much from myself and have problems with failing since I talk down on myself due to it. So I have a harder time queâing into pugged groups due to having too much expectations on myself even if I know im not that bad.
But joining groups, ppl leave or not bothering after 1w or 1l is demoralizing when it comes to joining more groups due to how I am.
When I actually played with friends in RBGs in like MoP, I believe legion and WoD I had tons of fun. But not a single one played 3s but I had friends I played with in 5s when it existed. Thats it.
So for a person like me, who have basically 0 rating in 3s, its harder to get into a group which is, kinda reliable in terms of âwantingâ to push even if you fail once or twice at the start.
I personally feel PvP is more fun than PvE for obvious reasons. But I play PvE more due to friends.
TLDR: I have anxiety issues with random ppl I do not know anything about which makes it harder for me personally to que up to LFG. Which is why RSS made it possible for me to actually get the rewards for specific classes without having to look and go through my problems.
I can already smell the boosting potential on this one xd
I understand what you mean though.
False reports are not discarded. The system is mostly automatic, to the point of even a ban can be automated, and even the first appeal reply back is automated.
Thereâs definitely room for abuse of the system, cuz blizzard decided to fire most of the community management people (you know, actual human beings who used to take care of stuff like this)
This. I have a bug thatâs been going on for months⌠I file a bug report, nothing happens. I make an actual ticket to speak to a GM in the hopes he could help me, response: please submit a bug report. TOO GOOD.
