Request for Ukrainian Localization in World of Warcraft

This is going to be one of the great mysteries, why one earth did Blizzard make a localisation for such a relativity small country. Unsurprisingly it bombed.

I have no idea. Other than Italy there’s southern Switzerland (where I live) and some local communities in Slovenia and Croatia, but that’s roughly 370k people so not much more.

Maybe they did it because of the massive drama that went on for years with the realms Crushridge, Hakkar and Runetotem, that were the ā€œunofficialā€ Itailan realms before they openend Pozzo and Nemesis (Runetotem was my realm in WotLK/Cata).

If the report system was working in a sane way and had human intervention, this would work.

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I know, but unless he throws money at it and transfers servers, this is the only option…

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Poorly.

I think we have all seen what OpenAI and Google have managed to create in terms of detecting offensive content. Google refused to tell a 15 year old about how C++ works due to it being unsafe (it’s not memory safe, not the same thing!), Google is quoting The Onion and telling people to eat rocks and put glue on their pizzas.

Meanwhile at OpenAI, you could convince it that 2+2=5 (I told it to remember adding VAT, it worked!), will tell you to actively stop asking it for help, randomly ends conversations when it gets sufficiently offended (for example if you tell it that it’s wrong by proving it wrong it may shut the chat down when used on Bing), it loves to change the subject or dodge certain quite innocent events in stories - e.g. if you tell it to expand a piece of text and there’s a plotpoint it doesn’t like it, it’ll evade it forever, repeating the previous points ad nauseam.

And of course both it and Google’s AI are famously phenomenally racist.

I don’t want any LLM anywhere near judging our chatlogs.

What they may be good at is detecting botting movement patterns because it’s a relatively simple reinforcement learning model that it needs.

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I don’t either. That’s why I said (for the third time now) that the only role of the AI would be to forward potentially suspicious cases to a human for proper review and judgement. I understand how limited AI is, that’s why the human presence is so important in this process.

I don’t understand why you guys keep pretending as if I just wanna slap an AI on the moderation process and call it a day.

I’m not pretending you do.

But I’m calling into question its ability to even guess as well. They’re just not good at politeness levels, tones, and they can very easily get overwhelmed by homonyms, especially across languages with little context. This will not work, I guarantee it. I legitimately think it’s better to use the current abused system.

I’m pretty confident that at this stage AI is more than capable of looking at a chat log at the time of a report and figuring out what was being said and who it was targeted at. People aren’t exactly cryptic in their intentions when flaming others, and context is generally clear in most cases.

Literally the only thing the AI would have to do is decide whether the reported player was saying something that was likely targeted at someone, and if it’s likely to be found offensive.

And if the AI was completely off, the human at the end point can just throw the report away, and tell the AI it was wrong, which contributes to it’s training. Then the ā€œfalse positivesā€ are still useful for something and nobody got harmed in the process.

We’re nowhere near AGI, but what we do have is AIs that can be trained to do specialized tasks quite well. I’m not saying give the chat logs to ChatGPT and let it decide. Game moderation is a very specialized task that an AI would have to be trained over time to do well enough, most likely for each individual game to be effective.

I literally just chatted with ChatGPT and it replied in the wrong language because it thought I was speaking another.

I’m just saying.

It was honestly an accident. I prompted in Danish, it replied in Norwegian. And it wasn’t partially formed Danish. Complete sentences and everything.

And now you want Blizzard to spend millions and millions of dollars to have an AI that can’t even tell two common European languages apart analyse WoW chatlogs continually in order to find offensive language within each language individually?

Look, they’re not that good. It’s impressive what they can do, but natural language in a multilingual society is hard. It’s really hard.

Movement patterns made by robots though? That I think they can detect.

I think I’ll just call it here, we’re talking past each other. You keep bringing up how bad ChatGPT and other chatbots are, which not only are they designed to be as broad as possible, but also to tell the user what they want to hear rather than what’s correct, meanwhile I’m talking about a narrow AI trained and dedicated to a single specialized task.

Look, current AI doesn’t actually understand any language. I could write something extremely offensive without using any words that a script/AI could possibly detect. And if you’re going to use humans to review every report then such systems are pointless anyway.

Well, I just think we’re slowly uncovering the cause of our disagreement, but I won’t (and can’t) force you to continue to engage. I will give my last hurra though and hope you have a great rest of the day regardless of whether you want to continue or not :slight_smile:

I think the last bit you said is quite relevant because I think the issue here is that I don’t think detecting negative or nasty language is a single specialised task at all.

In fact I think an LLM has the best chance at detecting this - not a specialised AI - which is in contrast to bot detection, where an LLM can’t help you at all.

There are thousands upon thousands of ways to insult someone really bad, and they differ from language to language. So before we even get started, the AI needs to comprehend nearly every European language well enough to say with confidence that it has detected bad language, and then it needs to find out which language it is in the first place as well, and it needs to do that even when people are sending 2-3 words or even less because they know from some crazy context clue where the receiver is from, like their accent on the voice chat or that their name contains a culturally significant set of characters.

And on top of all of this, these negative words can change in meaning based on whether they are directed at the mobs, at the players, or at the game in general, and the only way for you to know that is to analyse the situation of the combat and the state of the game world in addition to the language itself.

As an example:
ā€œCome on, this is idioticā€ after someone kills 40 mobs in 2 seconds → Inoffensive
ā€œCome on, this is idioticā€ after the tank fails to do a pull correctly for the 4th time in a row → Aimed at a player, therefore potentially offensive

This is really hard.

The reason I don’t think it’s a good idea is that I think it will create so many false reports that it will just be useless. White noise, essentially.

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By intellectual honesty, how much different is ukrainian language to russian?

(real question, idk)

if you dont want play with people specificly because of their nationality its racist

Very different. I’d say on the same level as German vs English. They even have extra letters.

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why we never saw any demands like that before the war?

As Russian and Ukrainian diverged from each other relatively recently (less than a millennium ago), they still share a lot of basic and core vocabulary – but not enough to be considered dialects of a single language . One frequently cited figure is that Ukrainian and Russian share about 62% of their vocabulary.

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Because before the war the Russian population wasn’t as brainwashed to hate Ukrainians nearly as much as they are now. Since the start of the war the Russian government has seriously upped their hate propaganda.

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there are also ukrainians who freely hate russians

i think initiate a massiv exode to an european server is the best solution

after all… ukrainians asked for be part in the EU :slight_smile:

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Because of Ukranian politics. The country used to be split 50/50 down the middle. West side was more western oriented, east side was more Russia oriented.

Then, the invasion happened, a whole bunch of crazy destruction went down, landmasses were taken, and the previously polarised people actually pretty much united in opposition to Russia with a few exceptions.

Ironically, Russia has managed to take much of the land but lose the respect of the people they seek to rule so completely that it is probably unrecoverable. And now these two groups hate one another.

So, why do they want this translation? To get away from the Russians. It’s really that simple. x’D And the Russians aren’t asking because they already have one.

I can’t go further into it than that here.

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i dont think there are enough Ukrainians players to request 1 server.

Apparently.
Considering very few people seem capable of such nuance let alone the mods I’d be scared pantsless leaving it up to an aiā„¢ to figure out what the people who coded it can’t.
I get put on the naughty stool enough as it is for absolutely idiotic things.