I cannot reason with this.
I’m out.
God help you.
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He’s not even mentioning the word “skill”. For example he’s asking preach if stats should differ between hunters. In that case talent, gear etc. need to go. He later on mentions tracer in Overwatch as if Overwatch shouldn’t be a better suited game for players with that mentality.
I know you can’t. Logic got you stumped, right?
You use words like litterally and ambiguity.
When presented with evidence to the contrary you seek to discredit, claiming lawyer-talk.
And you call that logic.
I call it stupid.
Talking about logic. You never answered where the logical link between covenants and “stuff that fails” were. Yet you used it as the basis for you to devalue my opinion compared to others.
“But this stuff has failed and been changed in the past, consistently. So with that in mind, how much should I value your opinion?”
You later declared the “this stuff” was “the preceding stuff where the design intent flops”
I then asked you how to connect covenants with “this stuff”.
A simple logical chain you put forth to decide wether my opinion should valued or not. I do think my opinion should be valued, that’s why i’d very much like an answer.
But preacher knows full well, since he pointed out for years now - performance has been moving out of player control and into systems control. So I don’t know why he’s shocked that ion says such a thing.
It seems like this game community is stuck in a groundhog day, getting shocked at the same things, forgetting, then getting shocked at the same thing all over again.
That would be really nice to be able to have them separate, but i don’t think Blizzard will go that far. Just a package of 2 the most.
I would say it is a minority screaming for the moment, but I wont go in to if they are rigth or wrong.
But from what I have seen in the posts, there is about maby 10 people in a post arguing over it, not much more, combine that whit maby 10 posts up, where a few more new ones might post their arguments, we might be up in like 60 people arguing for the moment on EU forums.
if we then start to look at how many on other sites and streams/videos argue, it might come up to arround 3000 or so, not much more, that whit the english speaking communities, it is stil a minority.
then what they say is 90% same as a streamer, and 10% have their own oppinions and come up whit solutions, instead of saying same some streamer says, what many times is becuse they get more views on negative aspects than positive ones.
this is actualy a reason why beta testing many times fail, becuse none comes up whit solutions, only things like I dont like this, game is gona fail, no sane developer bothers to listen to them, and those who do have ideas, gets drowned in the whine most of the time.
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What classification do you say for those whom have played for years and are casual?
There is no evidence to the contrary. We’re disputing what he said and I can “”“literally”"" hear what he said. He didn’t do an interpretative dance performance where we let our feelies decide what we thought he way saying. Although, I admit it would have been more entertaining.
Thought you were out? Or did I misinterpret those words and what you acccctuallly meant was…
I haven’t got the quote to hand but I’m sure I can dig it out but they did say if it really doesn’t work they’ll allow swapping between. However, that’s only after it’s been live in the game for some time IMO. They really don’t want to do that.
I would love to see a Dev Panel in this format 
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No need, i saw the interview.
But i think that Blizzard meant with that that they would allow us to switch easily between Covenant powers.
Meaning that they would go as a couple.
Like choose Venthyr and you get the Covenant Power and their Class ability.
Having them decouple the 2 abilities would be too much freedom for Blizzard to give, might be easier when balancing the abilities for them to assume that class X has all of covenant 1 stuff, or class y has all of covenant 2 stuff.
To that end, i don’t think we can leave without the whole package of soulbinds either, but maybe i’m just being negative here.
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Indeed, there are a lot of systems involved.
Do you think all hunters should have the same stats? If so, where do gear and talents come into the picture? If not, why is the clip
?
He is exaggerating, sure!
But he is still making a good point! Getting hung up on his (probably Intended!) provocation serves nobody!
So back to the topic - and I for one do agree that Covenants are a cool idea story-wise, but the implementation leaves a LOT to be desired…not to mention that it again is a borrowed power-system!
Damned! DITCH THOSE ASAP! Design characters and speccs that can stand on their own, without this stuff you introduced with Legion (Artifact-Power-Grind, special artifact abilities that classes don’t work well without…why not de-prune fully, go back to Cata or WotLK and add some new cool skills etc…Kadgar or Jaina or Lady Liadrin don’t need crutches like that either, so neither should Mages, Paladins (and neither should the other classes!))
The clip without context sends the wrong impression. They were talking about how some heavy RNG across multiple systems has a negative effect in the sense of taking control out of the player’s hand in terms of performance.
The point was precisely that all hunters should be able to work towards a goal where player skill, and not luck, could be the deciding factor.
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They were also talking about how restrictions could provide a differentiation between hunters and if that was a good thing or not.
I agree, the clip without context sends the wrong impression. Then it’s used for Twitter propaganda, up to the point that clueless people post it here without really knowing what they’re actually proposing.
It’s a farce.
What i find more funny and it’s probably a big proof about how divisive the subject is, is that I’ve seen the same clip being used out of context as a way to support/attack both sides.
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It’s totally not save to say… not even 20% of the playerbase is on the forums.