wait a bit and will see drops. Its atm just very fast paced games
Riptide healing seems rly high. Not sure why a long lasting hot also has initial healing that heals more than priests shadow mend, which is the only real healing ability we have and its self cast ability, lol.
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Still salty they left Enlightenment for hpriest at 10% instead of the old 20%, but much prefer it to disc and it’s mana usage
Well you mentioned it, so I ask you.
I’d really not go there. Rsham isn’t straightforward better Disc. It’s not clear either whether he’s actually better at all.
Disc has different perks that Shaman lacks.
BTW Shadow Mend has no CD, Riptide does. By your logic, we could as well compare it to Radiance. And I assure you that heals way more than Riptide, it’s basically AoE LoH.
He has 12.500 achi points,i doubt he doesn’t know about that.
You go find another thread to make sarcastic posts
Radiance is about 9-10k noncrit, it isn’t LoH. Main issue with disc is your mana is dry while other healers sit at 50-60% with the same hps.
Taking into account that Priests have always been at the top, Shaman is ok now. But in the end it won’t last long, as always. The problem with Blizzard is that they make sometimes classes very strong for some months, then nerf them to the ground. They should just make ALL classes strong like Rogues, Mages, Priest that have been always good
The problem is that radiance is the only reaason disc is viable at all, but it makes the spec last like 3 mins total, before it goes oom. Im afraid that once the one shot ret melee comps will get nerfed, disc wont be too popular. Im stucked with lfg beacuse I switched to horde, where I basically dont know anybody, so i tried many comps and the mana issue is very limiting in what I can play without just making the comp worse by picking disc.
I dont think priest were always top. I think that priest history is pretty rocky at least. Once up once down, but both disc and shaman are mechanically hard to balance. When the disc rework happened that made him from healer to utility bot, it was obvious that this will be hard to balance. Its either useless or too broken, but again, blizz had only raiding in mind and ignored other content like pvp. Shamans with riptide carrying everthing and insane heals when needed, super good mana and insane utility on top of that, its just wrong. The problem is that if riptide cant carry the shaman, the spec sux in pvp.
- It can crit.
- It’s buffed by Twist of Fate & Conduit
- 10k non crit AoE heal is stronger than 3k Riptide
I disagree.
maybe you pick wrong comps, or it doesn’t suit your playstyle…
this is very agressive meta and Disc is very aggressive healer, you should craft your strategy to win before you oom
I disagree. I think Disc might be way too strong with Mind Games right now, but I’d not call it broken. And it’s definately not useless.
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Disc viability is most definitely not tied to Radiance.
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yes, because resto shamans usually struggle against hard high dmg cleaves such as ret warrior,wwdk and also things like rmx.
Restoshamans usually really shine against caster cleaves. But with holy paladin doing insane group healing that costs only holy power and disc with its agerssive playstile + mindgames can atm played well in most combs. Disc shines extremly in setup based combs and matches usually dont take that long. paladin shines in melee cleaves aswell as in melee caster combs. Resto shaman is gread against things as sp boomy, ele sp and ele boomy etc.
Resto Shaman was allways kind of a dampening healer while disc was for heavy cc setup combs and burst healing in cost of mana. Same goes with resto druid as the other damp healer that goes better than sham in setup combs.
when disc would have the same manabenefits as resto shaman, there would absolutely be no reason to take any rshaman at all. Cause disc would have everything better.
Disc not only is viable cause of radiance, also because of things like mindgames, its heal on dmg + good dmg overall as well as great cc oppurtunitys with even door of shadows adding to its problem not mooving while having a melee on his butt to still put a cc ontop to build a chain. Also having 2 spellschools aswell as beeing pretty tanky with its passive dmg reduction.
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Ok, so you disagree with everything I say. But how about real arguments instead of this vague…disagreeing? Your words are almost as specific as blizzards tos.
Did you get any decent ratings with disc? If you remove radiance, then what does priest have? Because 5k shadow mends and 2k bubble absorbs wont keep your team up at all. Sure its decent for RMP, because RMP carries you and you have few extra things that fit the comp. You can do some ret setups, where the ret carries your garbo healing. What else? Feel free to share your arguments, if you disagree with my experience so much. Im not saying disc is useless, but I still think its carried by garbo balance and super fast games.
You said you think Radiance the only reason for Disc’s viability. You provided no arguments why would that be so and in BFA he was already viable without it.
I have literally no reason to think that would be the case and my argument for disagreeing is that there’s no reason to think so, nor were you able to provide any.
That’s kinda the Disc fantasy. He brings lower healing for extra utility in form of Mass Dispel, offensive pressure, currently even Mind Games and Power Infusion and SWD as well as double magic schools.
To want to have all this and healing output as other healers would be wishing for your spec to be broken and way superior to others. Tha’s unreasonable.
To want to drop Disc’s utilities and want it to become stronger healer, even at the cost of losing utility… that might be reasonable, but then… you can simply play the healer you want, when Disc’s playstyle doesn’t fit you (basically you want Disc to become completely different playstyle and you like playstyle of the other class… then play that) instead of wishing Disc would become copy of an existing healer you want to play.
Good one, you know why instead of just spouting numbers.
Then you also know what will most likely happen further ahead and how those numbers will look like when people get more gear. And more gear means more healing (trinket bonus) and more stamina as well.
I hear that caster cleaves are already dominating on high rating, and will probably become even stronger with insta gib burst nerfed (bound to happen).
Disc will probably need a mana buff again and resto shamans will need a nerf, and no, it won’t make disc a better option vs everything. Rshamans have a strong toolkit on their own, they have always had that, especially vs casters.
watershield,manatide,crit from healing gives u mana. primordial wave is also a very low cost like 300mana. Thats it.
it was not sarcastic ?
Are you serious right now, that Resto Shaman isn’t the problem? Do you have any idea on how much damage I made on a Resto Shaman in less than 3 minutes. Me and my brother play warrior, him as Arms and me as Fury. We decided to nuke the Resto shaman in 2vs2 Arena, and we lost! HOW!? WHY!? I alone did over 160k dmg on that god damned Shaman and he still didn’t die, and I haven’t even included the other Warrior’s dmg. That is 5 times his health! Us 2 were nuking only the shaman with every damn thing we had, trink, talents, abilities, stuns, fear. He was at 10% hp finally and just went to 100% like it was nothing.
This happened yesterday and I’m still irritated over it. THIS IS ABSURD! How broken a resto shaman can be. I thought they fixed this since BFA. There was a clip with CDEW I think it was, going as Resto Shaman in a 2vs2 Arena. You know what he did. While the Arena was on, the 2 opponents that put all dmg on his shaman, while in the mean time CDEW doesn’t touch his keyboard, goes to the bathroom for a piss and also brings a coke or whatever, comes back to the keyboard pushes one button and fully heals himself and wins the game!
Think about this before you say that Resto Shaman is not the problem!
This should only be allowed in PVE not in PVP!
lol
Just considering yourself lucky the shaman took pity on you and allowed you to hit him instead of rooting you behind a pillar while nuking the other guy.
That’s what happens when you burst through Astral Shift and Earthen wall totem.
Don’t play double DPS next time. Especially not double warrior, one of which is fury. I mean, come on, seriously.
the CDEW part was in BFA when all that resto shaman had was wolf form healing stacking, this is currently not the case isn’t it? shamans can go oom and can die to burst, a good shaman wont die to 2 warriors in 2`s seems like the least possible 2 melees to get a kill on a resto shaman right now…