Ret change

excuse me what game have you been playing?

you just mentioned you crit for 750, wars dont crit that much except execute, we both in plate, but you have spell damage which ignores armor, and stun, and bubble.
Warrior needs to build rage before he can push buttons, you can push any of yours any time them not cooldown.
You deal more damage than war in pvp, have more utilities and still somehow you cry about warriors?

They do crit that much and if u wanna prove that rets sucks just check wow logs ret is basicly sitting at bottom with mm enchance and frost mage

Im literally said “in pvp”. In pvp ret’s damage is better than warrior, and still you have defensive cd’s, stun and even heal. But you want to keep wall of these and deal damage like melee hunter atm I guess

If you take Eye for an Eye, which deals more damage than your whole toolkit.
Also in pvp you need damage, not defenses. If your warrior’s damage is below a Ret Paladin’s, go read some guides, you need them

PVP is whatever u expect pvp balance in a classic version?

you cry about execute damage, its not me who needs to read guides

first of all, not giving hybrid classes with defensive abilities, cc and heal insane damage.

Ret feels fine in Bg and Wpvp
Just because some classes are completely over it doesn’t mean Ret is trash
Yes, your Dps in Raid is not tier 1 but you also have other tasks in the raid like kite, kick and offtanking
Try get something around 2.2-2.3k lifepool
your SthV Wp, full plate and around 15% crit
the Gnome loot lable is out of control and a way to big, so go PvP for vendor stuff and Ulda/Rfd loot
Maybe your lucky and get some Gnome items
and your fine

Depends if group or solo but for ret to be viable in bgs they need feral and support, any ranged class will just clown on em.

Doing DPS on par with Frost Mages, Enhancements and MM hunter is literally one of the 2 reasons why Crusader Strike and Divine Storm should’ve been Holy Damage from the start, hell it is in WoTLK and they managed to take Lifebloom from WoTLK which was an actual garbage decision. The epic rets get is another reason.

will never happen unless agi or crit gets added to tanking gear, which it won’t.

Regardless of gear a pally or any other melee outside of melee hunter, which will get nerfed next week anyways, is irrelevant outside of boosting survival stats. The armor in gnomeregan has been too high and it should be addressed sooner rather than later.

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i got 13.2 % ub, ft Gnome Neck and Arathi waist/feet, gnome cloak should be possible reach 15%, maybe try Ulda plate gloves of Tiger if it push to 15%
The Meele set is trash

We are talking here stictly about PvE.
Retribution always gets the short stick.
It is always left behind for the other 2 Paladin specs, which NEVER get any compromise.
Retri Paladin has a clunky toolkit having to choose between top 2 spells on a rune slot.

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