Ret in PvP is functionally broken

Love the Paladin fantasy and have been playing this game since 2008. Here are a few issues with Ret in PvP:

  • Weak self-healing, with WoG that costs both HP and mana, and does not out-heal other classes’ passive healing. Thought we were a hybrid? We shouldn’t be doing more damage than strictly DPS classes, but we certainly should be healing more.

  • Extremely gimmicky defensives. DP offering a 10% damage reduction is marginal. Divine Shield is the gimmick. Focus Ret until he pops DS, then you win. We are always the kill targets. For a plate-wearing class, why are we so squishy.

  • Horrible mobility. we are constantly chasing classes around. We have no gap closers, dispellable BoF, and a charger that the playerbase dislikes. Once we’re slowed without BoF, we’re waddling over.

  • Meager damage based on % damage, not systems. We do great AoE damage, like in RBGs, but ST is mild and wholly dependent on Blizz tuning. 15% FV buff? Your class is now great! Lol, ofc not. We need a systematic change to how damage is done as Ret. It’s better if we’re tanky and sustain DPS, rather than high-DPS battle-mage only during Wings.

Anyways, just my thoughts. I’m by no means the best, but the class simply feels weak. Thoughts?

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The self-healing and mobility 100% agree, atleast when it comes to PvP.
Dmg is completely fine atm from my perspective, when it comes to BGs (epics/normals) and M+, raiding no idea tho.
Ok you slack a bit in boss fights, but in trash pulls you are king and there are anyways 2 other dps with you + tank and healer.
What I want to say is…one class/specc doesn’t have to be in every situation good or the best, just viable, and this we are.
In raids with long boss fights and not many adds to kill I can imagine tho, that the dmg can be a bit weak.

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Ret hasn’t been this bad in PvP since BFA, it is horrible. In BGs it is not very noticeable but try doing some 2v2, and you will want to quit the class altogether. The survivability is so bad that usually if you see Ret and something else you will want to focus ret because he will die very easily.
The damage is absolutely embarassing. In SL they fixed BFA ret being useless and made it OP, then in DF it was still pretty good dps-wise and now it is just plain bad. It has been years since I have seen my dps numbers be so low in a PvP setting.
There’s ZERO reason for ANYONE to choose to pair with ret for arena unless you are that desperate. It sucks as a dps and it sucks as a ‘support hybrid’. It is ridiculous.
The only chance you will get a decent winrate as ret in 2v2 is if a really good healer joins you out of charity (there’s much better options).
Meanwhile mages have been op since 2004…

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Ret has the highest representation in all rated PVP.
If it was actually bad, it would be last, like fire mage.

Ret is fine, it’s solid A tier.

Yeah dmg is good. Just need some gear but that’s quite easy to get.

Maybe it’s because he is lvl 23…

Many people play the class because they like the class and their character.
The amount of representation has nothing to do with the issues the spec has.

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give divine stead an dash or a charge talent instead.

Make paladin able to dispell magic with cleanse again, like we could in classic.

Magic dispell is gameplay wise tied to healers these days, before it was lore based i.e. druids or shamans not being able to dispell magic.
Changing this would break PvE design, I also don’t know how it would improve PvP.

Personally I would like to have the Law and Order talent again.

Mage personal heal is more powerful than my own…

Dispell most roots, slows, magic CC in general like sheep, paladin stun/blind, lock/priest fears, dots etc.

But the time when it could dispell magic, cleanse had no CD. Far to many trash debuffs for this to now be effective on mobility issues.

When the dispell part dissapeared from we got Emancipate instead that removed slows/roots with no CD (even non magic slow/roots), we had that until Legion. A 3 sec steed did in no way cover the cost of losing Emancipate in pvp. A thing that remains an issue 8 years later.

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we need raw damage buffs to our core abillities this is blizzard nerfing our abillities in to the ground yet rogues and mages have been S tier since 2004 and their little wow golden boys main them speccs so they are s tier every season

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we need some serious magic remover

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