Hey guys am new to ret pala am still working out the spec I have hit a wall as to what Legendary to use, I have been told to use tempest and rather than use templar’s verdict use divine storm as my spender even on single target.
Is this correct? I only plan to do M+ this time around and rather than have 3 or 4 Legendarys I just wanted the main one for M+ I want to try and do higher keys if that helps am on around M+8 & 9 at the moment.
Tempest of the lightbringer is the correct legendary for m+. Never tried using DS instead of TV on single target though, only the proc from it.
But you can sim it with patchwork style bossfight and look and the rotation.
Yeh looked into it, but is there anyway to sim using DS over TV on ST? Am just looking for a base idea if I sould use DS on ST or not. I sim at 3,424 but thats using TV and only uses DS 2.7% of the time. So for most of the fight my legendary is basicly pointless, this is why am asking if or not I sould switch to The Mad Paragon or The Magistrate’s Judgment
During M+ you cannot switch gear. You are better off using tempest for the whole run. It gives much better dps during the whole dungeon, so boss fights won’t matter as much.
If DS would be better for single target with that legendary, than it would use it instead of TV, so you can freely use it and DS only with the proc.
No sorry I ment useing The Mad Paragon or The Magistrate’s Judgment rather than tempest full stop, If i check warcraft logs to see what the other top Rets use then its a mix of the other two. But if i ask people then I get told to use tempest as if the warcraft logs data is out of date or something.
Edit: ill do some of my own testing on target dummys here is what i found.
So I did a quick sim in my current gear set up and my dps is 4,203 DPS, So if I hit a raiding target dummy for 3 mins am expecting to get near to that score
So using DS I did 3.3K on a target dummy for 3 mins
So using TV I did 3.5k on a target dummy for 3 mins
Now taking my very bad playing into account it seems there isnt much to it, 0.2k isnt here or there but am not using the legos.
So the answer is that the highest keys for Ret has been done with Tempest and Magistrate’s judgment.
Both of those legendaries have done the same key level.
56.4% of people use Tempest and 18.9% uses Magistrate.
Mad paragon has done 4 key levels lower than those 2.
Final verdict have done a key level higher than mad paragon.
Now the reason people say Tempest is kind of simple it works really well in m+.
Magistrate is sort of random and can be really good or just ok.
Now tempest on the other hand makes your Divine Storm uncapped aoe.
Basically play what you want to play they work quite well either way.
All 3 you mention have done m+ keys at least up to +19, and 2 of them have done +23s
I think your right having done a basic simple test overall it isn’t going to matter for the content am doing (M+8 -10keys) maby higher am just Paranoid am doing really bad and letting my team mates down.
The % used is for m+ 16 to m+ 23
Here is the webpage do take things they say with a grain of sand however not everything will fit with what you are doing.
But yeah just do your best get better at it use your cooldowns and it will become better.
I have personally a tendency to keep my cooldowns not used far to long losing a lot of dps in m+ because of that and changing legendary would have no effect on that.
Yeh I think your right in my case I think am so worried about making a mistake that am just overthinking it, I just watched this and it really made me realise some of the big mistakes am doing xD
I play wow and do M+ to relax I get stressed thinking am not doing ok so I don’t do the basics right and maby I sould relax wile am playing a game to relax…
Owch my head hurts now xD
Not that I’m an expert on Ret but personal feeling is that what’s best changes depending on affixes and the rest of the group. I’m 100% sure there isnt a universal setup that is best for every situation.
This is just incorrect, TV got higher single target damage and there is no reason to use DS over TV on single target. Sounds like something from someone looking to use one less key on his bindings.
I think the reasoning behind it was that, the buffs to DS that you get from the lego & I have been running Divine Purpose & Sanctified Wrath I was told just to stick with DS, If am running say a more single target build I bleave you are 100% correct.
As I said am 100% new to ret so am open to being told he was wrong, but when I tested it on a raiding dummy it was like 0.2k difference more details in my post above.
If i run a raiding build then am 100% sure TV boosted by The Magistrate’s Judgment add in the raiding set up that TV will win hands down am just not sure how much it dose better when my spec is built on AOE damage anyway.
But please am very open to learning if you can point me right then am happy to test / run a more upto date set up.
On no tyranical weeks the Divine Storm legendary is the go to legendary and the best legendary for m+ overall. So I would suggest to craft that 1st.
Whoever told you that is flat out wrong, has no clue about the spec and you should never listen to them ever again. You will ofc be using Divine Storm in single target when you get a proc (you never waste procs) but be sure to not use DS on st when you have Judgment debuff. Use a TV 1st and the DS proc after that.
I suggest you take a look at FAQ on ret paladin discord and at Skeletors guide (Google retpalaxyz)
Ty Liou.
This is what I was looking for, my last question I promise lol
Why is DS lego the best for M+ is it just for the trash killing? and is this a posable reasion am tanking on boss dps? So I guess my real question is what is more important in M+ Trash or boss killing / AOE dmg or single target
what’s most important is doing the most damage overall at the end of the dungeon.
Obviously on tyrannical weeks it would be handy to have 2 classes with strong ST dps to help with bosses since you will be exploding the trash.
It’s not a black and white answer. On none tyranical weeks trash fights are usually the hardest and bosses just melt with cooldowns and prideful buff. On tyranical weeks you want the extra damage of, let’s say Final Verdict while keeping that trash damage.
The reason I’m suggesting you to go for DS leggo 1st is that is the best overall option up to 15s. You blow things up and still have decent ST damage with wings. Once you start getting into the spec and learning it more you will start thinking about other leggos and setups.
Edit: it’s right there in the tooltip but I will mention it regardless. DS leggo doesn’t project your DS, it makes you shoot another DS, so don’t stand behind packs.
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