I read everywhere that you should throw final reckoning before execution sentence.
But, ES does feed on every damage dealt after it is on cooldown for 8 sec.
The logical thought would be to activate FR after ES for ES to benefit from the base damage + the 50% damage increased spender, right ?
Still I read that you should throw FR then ES despite the fact that, by doing so, ES final blow will be outside of the 8 sec increased damage of FR.
I don’t get it. Help ?
Going to use numbers to calculate each increase and get back you you on this.
But i remember that the final hit of ES is better to explode during FR being up.
FR does 4545 dmg for me and ES does the same initially. TV does 4055(got FV legendary)
So basically we can have:
We have started combat and have gotten 5 holy power to start our nuke sequence
– 5 Holy Power
Avenging Wrath +20% dmg and +20% more crit chance(we’ll ignore the 20% dmg and crit chance increases from it for now)
Execution Sentence > 0 initial dmg
----- we have the 20% dmg increase on all abilities now for the next 8 seconds (my gcd is 1.22 with 22.52% haste, let’s make it 1.25 for easy math, we can get 6.4 gcd’s to fit inside the window, due to lag and whatnot it’ll probably be 6 gcd’s. 1 gcd is wasted on ES so 5 left)
– 2 Holy Power
Hammer of Wrath > 2182 dmg (stacked 20% of that so it’s 436.4) (4 gcd’s left)
– 3 Holy Power
Final Reckoning > 4545 initial dmg (stacked 20% of that so 909 dmg) (3 gcd’s left)
— we have + 50% Holy power abilities dmg increased now as well
Final Verdict > 4055 dmg + 50% extra dmg(FR debuff) = 6082.5 (stacked 20% of that so 1216.5)(2 gcd’s left)
– 0 Holy Power
so at this point you have 2 gcd’s left of the ES debuff and 3 gcd’s of the FR one
– let’s say you had a Divine Purpose proc occur by now
Final Verdict (20% extra buffed up due to DP) > 4055 dmg + 50% extra dmg(FR debuff) = 6082.5 + 20% = 7299 (stacked 20% of that so 1459.8) (1 GCD left)
– 0 Holy Power
Blade of Justice > 1880 dmg (stacked 20% of that so 376 dmg) (0gcd left on ES window)
– 1 gcd left on FR >> this is where the Execution Sentence damage is unloaded for a total of 4545 base damage + all of the above stacked damage which means 4545 (base ES) + 436.4 (HoW) + 1216.5 (FV) + 1459.8 (DP FV) + 376 (BoJ) = 8033.7
and now i assume that ES and/or FR aren’t bugged and the 8033.7 is getting increased by the FR’s +50% = 12050.55
Now, i’d calculate it the other way around, but there’s no point, since if we do:
FR > ES we have the following occur, debuff for 50% is up for ES, but ES does no (zero) initial damage, and any damage we have from ES gathering is offloaded AFTER the FR window is over, as such it doesn’t get the 50% increase.
This, without testing, is not 100% certain since i don’t know if doing FR > ES will have the 50% increase for ES after FR is over on the target, since we can presume 1 of 2 things:
TL;DR Do ES then FR to get the ES explosion during the FR 50% proc.
Thanks for the bigbrain work. So this basically prove that there is nothing that technically induce that it would be better to throw FR before ES, tho icy veins tuto and most forum I read says otherwise, without any explanation like you did. It’s quite bugging me tbh.
Btw, I have butterflies in the eyes watching all those pretty dps - I’m only lvl 30 now but I don’t see time passing while playing ret it’s so fun, and the talent synergy seem pretty clear, so I don’t get this one.
Unless FR boost does not apply on ES if thrown after but I don’t see why it would be the case.
The reason you use FR before ES is because ES checks for damage modifiers on cast and not when it deals damage. Meaning that if you cast FR after ES, it does not benefit from FR’s damage bonus. It’s a very unintuitive interatction and i don’t know why it works this way. But i believe it was changed to stop ES from gaining the effect of Judgment twice.
Aaaalllriiiight that made sense now ! Yep. Got it. Yes, on paper, ES look like it is a “press the button and throw everything you can” but now I see how it work.
I actually stopped using final reckoning because i was fedup of having so many on uses, switched to zeal which is quite good in pvp
I do think the numbers for ES is calculated when you cast it. It’s the 20% that gets added at the end.
It consumes the judgement debuff when ES is cast, so i would expect it to take the FR debuff into account as well.
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