I struggled to level this up to the point of near max level, hoping it would get better or fun at someway at some point but I give up.I want my spent time back.
Retri paladin is simply too damn boring.Arcane mage is probably more fun to play then this mess.This spec wasn’t always like this when I visited at earlier times, What went wrong?
Arcane Mage is fun in PvP, lots of control.
As for Ret, I don’t know.
Seems that Blizzard tried making everything special and managed to make everything dull.
I also liked Paladin and tried to get the fantasy back, but I couldn’t…
You probably mean PvE but melee classes are the epitome of boring in PvE.
you dont have Hammer of wrath, Execution Sentence and crusade, ofc its boring, You literaly do not have any good talent ehm divine purpouse can be usefull in very very specific gear… which is impossible with your ilvl, also borrowed powers which makes (procs on wings, tracking dot and the ton of haste etc…) a lot ofc in the end its bfa, Anyway it has no point to play bfa ret, Shadowlands iteration is very very different. I lvled shadow priest btw its the most boring class in the game with 4% haste without any solid azerite gear and essences, with many realy stupid design flawes. Does it realy metter when its the most fun caster in the Shadowlands ?
He wants ret to be reverted to a wotlk state. Which…well XD
I said, Wotlk state from 10 years ago was way more fun then this mess.Doesn’t neccesarly mean they should bring it back as it was.
I tried every other talents to the this point.They don’t help at all, still a very shallow and mundane experience.It’s just…It’s boring as hell to play retri man. Which is a shame, if one was planning to main one for the fantasy of it.
feral druid is way more boring with energy downtime, atleast while leveling it is for sure. unless you like to stare at kitty form
I mean, same with ret paladin and holy power downtime. Have fun auto attacking. At least ferals get a nice buff to their auto attacks.
bro, im playing ret / holy pally leveling, after lvl 50 or 60 theres almost 0 downtime.
Maybe cuz i have alot of haste heirlooms.
You also have to optimize your rotation example: you have 3 holy power but your judment or blade of justice is off cooldown , you use one of thoose instead of an holy power spender. Becouse if you dont, you will have downtime becouse you are letting abilities sitting off coldown by some seconds and its becouse you are playing wrong.
Also using blade of justice free procs as soon as you get them without overcapping HP is important.
When you start having more coldowns by level 80 theres 0 downtime unless the dps sucks and boss lasts for too long, and even then the downtime is like 10% maximum, if you are using utilities is even less.
Ret pally requires more thought process and good reflexes for the overall rotation then alot of other dps specs.
downtimes are pretty much gone on shadowlands, rpp of ret is mediocore anyway, sometimes its better to not smash the button to incries your dps then smash it. Anyway hammer of wrath is baseline so you can pick blade of wrath talent and you are good, in free time you can push concentration thankfully if you want. To be honest superfast gameplay is realy not good for ret Mr warrior, we need some time for our utilitty which is completely gcd locked, in legion it felt pretty bad in practice to lose dmg gcd ,becouse of you need to flash heal someone, freedom someone or bop someone in hardcore content. Its hard to understand to it when you have battle shout and ones per fight RC as raid cd. i can also be more nasty and say have a fun with your totaly linear totaly static super fast paced gameplay, without any reasonable dps cooldown in raid enviroment or high reward feeling finisher for next two years, becouse of its summs up current furry warrior perfectly. Anyway its good in dungeons. In the end havoc DH is also fast paced, fast paced in 1,2, + 4 cds in the exact same way … and its fun for some ppl
It’s better than having gaps.
Then the fix is removing said utility spells from GCD.
But on the same time, it’s not like we’re using BOP, freedom and sacrifice on every single raid fight.
NO its not its different.Paly is more reactive and cooldown heavy then both of these by miles to compansate it, so its different,pretty much like rogues,arms, which has been the thing like since forever,even on wotlk there was mana back in time so you had down times anyway with
divine pleya on cooldown. you can do big hits but slowly thats the price.
cmon man flash heal out of gcd or freedom ? No way that would be total nonsense. Good balance and gameplay for all players comes with clear stregth and clear weekneses of the classes, can you imagine healers without gcds on their heals ?
Here is the thing : These are not reliable utility spells. I do agree that raid wide CD and Combat res should be on the GCD, but any kind of dispell should not or have another gcd, that differs from the GCD.
I’m in favour of strength and weaknesses but most of dps spec from Healing classes are being gutted, when pure DPS classes are bringing so much more utilites, better defensive tools and better DPS. So it’s like rogue and DH (To a certain degree warrior) have near no weaknesses whereas ret, WW, DPS sham have way more weaknesses than strenghts, but are defined.
All classes are equals, some are just more equals than others.
As regarding GCD healing and utility, only DPS spec should be having a different GCD, whereas healing specs that are the true supports should not.
In base toolkit yes that was an issue, I completely agree (havoc dhs). But its realy better much better in Shadowlands. even good party cooldown is there via borrowed powers and its very strong dmg/healing spell for raids + mobility is wastly improved by teleport/fox covenants, its like another lvl currently. Only problem is the ret is pretty much locked to one of 2 covenants which gives you the toolkit which the base class is missing. We made roaster for mythic raid, 2 days ago and 2 ret paladins figures on the list , becouse of how good its on the beta and its not exlusively about dmg numbers its about dps profile and utilities, while 1 only warrior is there just as ap buff, even enhancement shaman is on the list. It does good universal dmg and windfury totem synergizes well with procs out of autoattacks (blade of justice), rage genereation and sub rogue. yea and at last one very powerfull of gcd heal is there and it has much lower cd then before LOH is extremely buffed when its used properly, via 2 talents, also shield of vengeance has finaly some use with sacrifice (i always hated sov btw), now its good when you have full control of it.
Hammer of Wrath definitely made playing a retribution paladin in BfA way more fun for me. With HoW, whenever you have a mob with <20%, you’re in turbo mode. Combined with Crusade, it gets upgraded to super mega turbo mode.
Then I’d recommend playing another spec.
People find Arcane most boring spec, some don’t.
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