Crusader Strike/Divine Storm literally feel lackluster and are just a filler in Gnomeregan and PvP.
runes are underpowered compared to other classes
Long version:
In PvE the state of a ret paladin is either in a top performing guild with “Automatic Crowd Pummler” + “The Jackhammer” (an ulduman trash rare drop from one mob type in the entire instance with 0.01% drop) being top 6 DPS.
Or you go to the 99% percentile on warcraftlogs and notice retribution does the same DPS as Balance/Feral Druids, Ranged Hunters and Enhancement Shamans.
The average player in a good setup will do DPS inbetween 6-8th dps, not including healers, still including tanks because they can do more DPS than actual DPS like ret/feral/ranged hunters/boomies on fights.
The issue being armor on bosses being way to high for this level bracket, lack of damage from Crusader Strike and Divine Storm, both dealing physical damage, when in reality they should’ve done holy damage like their WoTLK counterparts.
And when it comes to utility offtanking is what most rets do and due to the lack of an actual rune that doesn’t grant paladins a critimmunity rune (HoR making rets a tank basically without critimmunity) and tank CDs that reduce damage taken, rets as OT are by far the worst tanks this tier, even rogues and ferals got it better.
Warriors still got Shieldwall but they suffer from the very same issue, lack of critimmunity in a setting that doesn’t give enough defense items to make them nor OT platewearers critimmune.
In PvP Rets suffer from mobility, long range CC and again damage.
Do not mention even Repentance, it is basically 10y upgrade from a Hand of Justice and is limited to humanoid mobs/players (useless against Druids/Warlocks/Shamans in their respective demon/animalstates), that one has 10y as a base range, both having 1min CD. Outside of these 2 “CC” Rets are
warriors without a slow on demand and charge.
Most ranged are an autoloss if they get distance, and in most cases it is enough to be out of autoattack range. Rets most reliable way to kill anything is within their stuns, and rets have more RNG involved to their damage than anyother class, enhance shamans need WF but that seems more consistent than a Seal of Command that does like 1 in 7-10hits.
Melee are more managable, but yet again the nature of rets damage is rng and needing them in the HoJ stun to deal any significant damage.
The fixes are almost to easy to explain:
make Crusader Strike and Divine Storm holydamage, like WoTLK counterparts
Hand of Reckoning rune should grant critimmunity (devaste for warriors can do the same there)
less RNG fiesta for damage
change/add runes that actually feel impactful for the paladins
Ret is unenjoyable for the majority of content and is next to worthless in pugs, please fix this spec, people want to enjoy ret and not suffer from this cringefiesta of a class that did not see any good changes in P2. Blizz you are literally paid for people playing this and designing/coding SoD, so do your darn duty and make all specs enjoyable.
I kinda aggre on what you’re saying but from the data we have now, divine storm is no longer the go to rune for chest (for P2 I mean)
have you considered to try the martydom build for PvE ? it just wreck bosses x)
the build doesn’t really change our gameplay in it self or our initial build. All we need is just a fast 2handed weapon with a proc on it ( ex: nightblade, witchfury or if you’re really lucky/ have a lot of gold the jackhammer) and put a iron counterweight on it to attack even faster and so do a maximum damage with seal of martyrdom effect since it’s a normalized one) + if you also have an ACP to use it for opening it can be even better x)
for some reason the proc effects of those weapons seems to work with SoM and so one swing can do : normal attack + SoM proc + weapon proc + an other SoM proc
with this in mind + a fast attack speed+ more crit via our stuff for exorcism, ret could become something really interesting so wait and see
Tbh at this point i would even be happy if they changed damage type of CS / DS to holy, would be much helpful and create new ways of itemisations with spell power (holy damage on bloodmoon sword doesn’t make any sense right now as it only impacts half of our skills).
Seems quite a quick win for me and it’s not like this change alone would put ret on top of the damage meter anyway…
How is a 600+ divine storm crit a filler ability in pvp? Dont forget you can also command proc 500+ and whitehit ontop of all this. Palas got everything they ever wanted and they still crying L M F A O
How is a 1,2k lavaerruption, 1k shadow word death, 1k starsurge not?..oh ye “they are casts” exactly…range attacks while the ret has to actually reach his target to use divine storm…for which intend he has nothing except +8% movement speed which is not enough to reach the target before the named spells are casted.
On cleave fights/trash Divine Storm is literally still BiS rune.
To be still 6-8th on the dps meters while a tank can do more damage than us? I have purple parses and its not even breaking 300dps. It is pathetic howmuch gold you have to spend for a BoE drop or Uldaman drop to barely break 300dps and go past it, whereas other classes literally have a braindead rotation to perform to easily do 300dps.
The effort you put in does not show at all on the DPS meters.
All what people want is rets to hit more damage, doesn’t have to be top, pug rets are literally doomed because how badly Blizzard has left them behind.
Literally a massive rng fiesta to gain a Divine Storm crit, a white hit and a command proc that you also want to crit, rogues easily do more damage with mutilate alone if you want a comparision.
My paladin literally has 10% crit, so its 1/10 for each of these crits to happen, it is 1/1000 chance to happen.
Repentance? Literally useless against shapeshifted druids/metalocks/ghostwolfs, also 20y range.
The mere matter is, that Rets have gotten NOTHING buffed since p1 where they even nerfed AS Daze into oblivion which made that a nonviable option for PvP vs Druids.
Rets need a buff ASAP, this class stinks.
Ret feels great af. Just join as DPS/OT and you will get lots of invites. However it does feel a bit weak in PvP at times. But thats mostly due to other classes being strong
You’ve seen your damage in raids right? It is tank DPS and -10% ontop of that making us 6-8th, healers do half rets damage and when healers do half of rets DPS this needs to be adjusted ASAP . Yes I am the OP.
Exorcism, not repentance. But yes, ret also gets an instant ranged CC. Seriously rets have nothing to complain about, maybe in PvE but not in PvP. If you complain as a ret in PvP its a skill issue. Classic ret could deal with half the SoD classes right now
on a 1min CD that breaks on any damage taken, and is limited to humanoids, other classes get a better CC on that range, warriors get to charge close to that distance and rogues teleport. There has been 0 effort from Blizzard themselves to fix that glaring weakness.
Bro not ever class can be top of DPS meters, thats just how it does. Id rather be a little weak than have all the FOTM rerollers play my class cus its OP. And regardless ret feels fun, it feels good to play, you can easily OT in full DPS spec and u have a lot of tools in PvE and PvP.
Its still a ranged attack as a melee, and its annoying and can be enough t osecure a kill in a tight spot. Imagine a mage with a melee ability on 15 sec cd that did “minor” dmg the equivalent of a frostbolt noncrit. You’d be losing your mind about it
Congratz you have discovered Fire Blast on your action bar, which is infinitely more useful than Exorcism. Better CD, better scaling, easier to use, there’s nothing else to it.
Say this again while getting kited by any ranged, I’ll wait.
I wasn’t talking about fireblast. Either way, ret has 3 more buttons to press in a rotation which they lacked before. Good rets are deleting people, deleting mages, deleting spriests, which are notorious for murdering rets in actual classic. Srs skill issue
You have freedom with increased movement speed? Tell that to a warrior that sits in roots all game and dies to rank1 frostbolts. And you want a dot to break your repentance?