Retail WoW is the best game ever made

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It’s a nice post, I agree and disagree on different things but I think both have their strengths and weaknesses in certain areas.

I find the loot systen similar, in classic you fight RNG + Loot competitors, in retail you fight the greater RNG element, both feel very similar to me.

Tokens? Completely agree. Farming gold is gone, you just buy it, the richer you are IRL the richer you are in wow and no level of farming or gameplay will change that thabks to tokens. Also all farming is now inefficient if time is the #1 value involved.

I love transmog, it’s nice that player power will be distinguished by their name rather than the colour of their armour to me, having the kind of customization over your character is key to a good RPG I think, games that call themselves RPG but lack in customization is always a critique from me.

It is a broken system, classic is not entirely better tho. No matchmaking is one of the key factors, freshly dinged 120s go against fully fledged mythic raiders, it is a stupid system, this kind of balance is stuff for world pvp, you can essentially call a win or loss without watching people play, gear is just that important.

Since CRZ has been released I find this to be the reverse of my experience, I can quest in areas and see many other players, before CRZ they would be nearly barren, honestly for all the stick it gets it does what it was ment to do, there is just little reason for interaction - other players presence will often just serve to hinder you, particularly in lower areas where wpvp is not a thing.

It gets stick from many players but I disagree, LFR is a great tool plagued by elitist players who resent casuals for being casual, for many players this is as far as their raiding experiences will take them and I don’t resent that at all, raiding is fun and the more who get to participate the better chance such content has.

At this stage I think they are both games with their own strengths and weaknesses, both have ups and downs, neither is better or worse than the other as they both seek to offer something different. They are both different games with the only real similarities being some graphics, areas, abilties, characters and basic quests.

For you. This will apply to some and not to others, for the cost of one subscription you can play both and players will make their own choices.

Classic is okay for me but I’m on hold until all the content is released, I don’t really wanna wait and be drip fed old content, especially when the current meta involes what it does. :sweat_smile:

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When I play classic I miss parts of retail

When I play retail I miss parts of classic :frowning:

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The tea is also in the biscuit mate. 3-D traversal is not good for mmos in terms of immersion, ESO doesn’t do it, why? Because they know it’s a mistake (also probably limited by the game’s engine). You can easily avoid implementing flying into a video game by implementing a wayshrine system like ESO did. Fast travel everywhere. That would also help with designing fewer of these silly portal rooms with 1k portals to each zone, try remembering the names of all those places instead of just pointing at a map where you’d like to go, yikes.

The world is bigger yet it feels smaller with flying because of the amount of zones that are in the game it feels big, but it becomes smaller because you can just bypass everything in the zone, agane put in wayshrines to counter this problem, u get a travel network without bypassing the danger by flying in the vertical dimension.

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And I thought we were finally over these “Classic is much better than retail” topics. Im joining “noone cares” club here. Enjoy Classic OP, nothing more to say. I personally can’t stand it but everyone got his/her desires :slight_smile:

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You don’t care what others think and yet you create topic on forums.

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Stop trolling me or ill freeze your nuts off

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I am replying to your topic to give you feedback - your topic is highly subjective and pointless - you won’t persuade any retail player to play Classic. I know it is dying but it was clear from the beginning. It has no endgame content, people get bored quickly at lvl 60 so they stop playing it.

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Why is it so difficult to accept that different people enjoy different things?

Do you also spend your time telling people who enjoy dark chocolate that they’re wrong? Because you, me and everybody knows that they are, but that doesn’t mean they’re not allowed to like the inferior chocolate.

It’s quite similar with retail and classic. Classic raiding never satisfied me. Leveling did. Retail leveling never satisfied me since the rework in Legion. Raiding did.

There’s ups and downs to both versions. And well, to be honest, you not accepting that makes you worse than a person who likes dark chocolate. And to be honest, that’s the worst kind of person I can imagine, at this point.

I’m obviously joking (about the leveling being satisfying in classic, not about the dark chocolate part. Dead serious there.)

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Because Classic has an end and so does Retail.

Shadowlands pre-orders? Not as many as they’re used to, so they petition people why, makes ya think why exactly… it’s simple, they keep producing cheepo crap to please 500000 guys that are left playing their game instead of pleasing the potential millions that have left & forgotten about this game because of how unfun it actually is. They gave up on this game, despite it still having a huge fan base, a younger generation the 90s kids still leech off their parents playing this game, it’s a shame that these lazy boomers are left controlling this game when they have clearly given up and quit their jobs, the only thing on their mind is how big their retirement fund is and they mark the days off their calendars until they become a permanent Florida resident (not that Calis bad but Florida has a bunch of old ppl)

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Everything does. Except for sausages, they have two.

I understand your frustration about these things, because honestly, I believe most people playing both retail and classic are frustrated about them. We all hurt thinking about what WoW could’ve been if it weren’t for greedy corporate management, Dungeon Finder, LFR and the cataclysm, those are just the few things from the top of my head that I believe have hurt WoW, people are free to agree and disagree in any way, shape or form.

But you’re attempting to fix it by what? Trash talking things other people enjoy? You’re not doing anybodies work here, neither C’thuns nor Yogg-Sarons, nor any other Gods work, for that matter. You’re just being inflamatory on purpose. And truth be told, that’s the kind of thing people who like dark chocolate do.

You playing classic and not playing retail is valuable. It provides Blizzard with proven feedback about what’s more enjoyable for you.

You providing feedback directly to them, in whatever form is valuable. Chances are (very very high) they will ignore it, I am painfully aware, but still, it’s all you and I can do to save this once beautiful game.

And creating a (yet another) (dark chocolate-ish) post about retail being bad, classic being good, or similar does not help anybody. It just makes people dislike the things you like even more. You know, the more you dislike a person, the more you dislike things they like. And I understand you want to convince people that your opinion is correct, while theirs is false, but that’s just not how opinions and taste goes. I’m sure there’s even a bunch of people out there who enjoy LFR (which is basically the 99% dark chocolate of raiding).

We just gotta make Blizzard realise that trying to sell dark chocolate to people who like milk chocolate and white chocolate doesn’t work. And how do you and I do that? Well we stop buying and eating the dark chocolate, as soon as it gets too dark.

At the current point in time, I’d say retail is between 50% and 70%. It’s dark, but if you’re really craving that chocolate, it’ll do just fine. And classic was milk chocolate at first, for me as well. It still is sometimes. But sometimes it’s also milk chocolate that’s been lying in my cupboard for a few months too many, so it’s really not that good anymore.

So in general, what I’m saying is, don’t be a dark chocolate kind of guy. Let other people enjoy their things and enjoy your own things. Because in the end, all we can do is hope that blizzard starts adding more milk back into its chocolate creating process.

And I know, you tried to troll as much as possible, I know you’re not genuinely believing people will flog to classic, because of your posts, or that there’s even a chance they’ll change their mind, but I firmly believe that there’s one thing we all share and that’s a deep love for WoW (and a just as deep dislike for dark chocolate) and a wish for the game to flourish as much as possible. Doesn’t matter if it’s retail or classic, we just want to enjoy the game as much as we did back then, hopefully even more.

And well, to do that, we gotta stop bullying each others tastes, but accepting them and starting to bully Blizzard if they’re trying to darken our chocolate.

Cheers.

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If trash talking what you enjoy brings more people to this sad game I am all for it. Apples and oranges? This situation can’t be simplified to this scenario, the game was objectively better in the past and enjoyed by more people. It’s not dark chocolate vs. milk chocolate, dear

WoW team seriously lacks a couple of 90s kids with big balls making decisions for this game, we’d turn this dying game 180 degrees extreme makeover mmorpg edition

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Raiding was subjectively worse. Balance was subjectively worse. PvP was subjectively worse.

Do you truly believe that anything can be objectively better or worse regarding taste? (anything that isn’t dark chocolate, obviously. We all know there’s always one exception to a rule)

And do you truly believe that trash talking things brings more people to classic? Or retail for that matter?

In that case I’ve evaluated you incredibly wrong and I apologize for that. You’re the darkest chocolate kind of person there is.

I hope you won’t get the milk chocolate you’re craving, because frankly, you don’t deserve it, if those are your true beliefs.

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yeye, there’s no arguing with your nonsense, maybe I’d give u a BFA private server u could dark chocolate there all you’d like

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You truly are lost. I pity your dark chocolate existance. I’ll shed a tear at some point and I’m certain you’ll do too, in the far far future.

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Spare me your dark chocolate memes for concrete reasons why bfa is better, kthx

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Fair enough. Now , imagine walking along a very immersive road in a very immersive zone and a lvl 10 mage, named “Guccimang”, passes you. :pensive: - 1000 immersion points.

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Im not on an RP server I can call myself Blinkxqt if I like
Plus immersion is probably an overused word, but flying bypasses world pvp too easily and chickens like you have it too good, just fly up and avoid the opposite faction

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So…immersion need not exist on non RP servers? Fine, don’t see the problem with flying on non RP servers then. To bad for the RP guys. :cry:

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No that’s not what I said

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Just use your net’o’matic 5000? Problem solved. Although, using said device requires you to spam one more button. . .