Arthas is gone
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Are crabs good or bad here?
Very good
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and then WoD happens and you find out that, even without the demonblood, orcs are bloodthirsty beasts
holy based?
Malorne *** Therazane.
It is the only way.
would discover the orcs basically needed no motive to do what they did and just did it because they like violence
Instead Garrosh gave them something a lot more volatile:
Accurate predictions of what would happen with the Burning Legion, racism, and instructions on how to make rocket launchers and portals.
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WoD and Outland lore relating to orcs and draenei before they arrived on azeroth. Most of it I wouldn’t call retcons, more taking one liners and fleshing them out. But there were a few minor retcons like WCIII draenei being broken and the draenei being something different. On the whole far more was added than taken away.
As for retcons I hate, there’s far too many I think that have done more harm than good or no good at all. Before BFA and slands I might have been able to pick a “worst” but now I couldn’t decide. Retconning the entire Scourge lore wholesale in slands would be top 3 though.
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The Shadowlands. All of it.
An unredeemable expansion with a lore and a storytelling full of flaws from any and all points of view.
Have you ever heard “this entire expansion must be purged?” Yeah, Arthas was speaking about the SLands!
Suramar.
Previously meant to be destroyed (as per WCIII and WotA Trilogy), the nightborne’s storyline is perhaps one of the best moments during all of the late WoW.
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What’s Shadowlands? Aren’t you thinking of an expansion from critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV - Shadowbringers?
WoW’s expansion timeline is Classic, Burning Crusade, Lich King, Cataclysm, Pandalanda, WoDlords, Burning Twosade, Overdone Magni Jokes and now Dragonflight.
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Oh you’re right; I actually forgot about that. I literally wrote a fanfic where a nelf offhandedly remarked that Suramar is lost forever, yet I forgot about that. This was definitely a good retcon.
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The chronicles grind my gears something awful let me tell you.
mainly I detest what it did to magic.
The disappearances of Salamanders, Mana Pools and Health Pools from Warcraft 3 is also a downer.
And finally the very obvious lack of tropical themes on the Broken isles grinds me to dust.
Kel’thuzard surviving because we gave his urn to a secret cult member is however my bread and butter of pleasant retcons.
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Is there any reasoned explanation for this in chronicles?
Not as far as I know.
But if I recall Salamanders used to still be a thing in the TTRPG.
they are however just one of many things that never were brought over from the RTS and Chronicles could have included them, i’m sure.
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Which makes it all the more hilarious that Garrosh managed to single-handedly usurp the Shadow Council’s plans without being detected before or killed afterwards considering how deep their involvement was among the orcs and Draenor as a whole. He even revealed himself to Gul’dan in the latters own camp three days prior to the meeting of the clans, but I guess in AU draenor all orcs have a permanent INT penalty and he still thinks Garrosh is just one of Grommash’s messenger goons even after it’s shown that Garrosh has pretty in-depth knowledge about the existance of demons, the blood pact and murders his guards. I imagine prime timeline Gul’dan would’ve blown Garrosh’s head off with felfire with very little hesitation the moment he turned to leave the camp.
The best analogy I can think of is if AU Anduin went back in time, managed to somehow trick the Cult of the Damned to reroute the plagued grain shipments to Kalimdor to poison Onyxia’s lair and the Cult of the Damned just kind of sat there gormlessly letting it happen.
(Also if the blood pact was made after the siege had begun I guess it was more of a spur of the moment thing on AU draenor since in that timeline Shattrath was not besieged until well after the formation of the Iron Horde?)
I will fight anyone who says Warlords of Draenor had a good story.
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But you can sum all of this up to alternate timeline differences since Garrosh only went like 5 years back in time prior to the First War’s start, by which point in the MU much of draenei society had already been laid low by the thoroughly fel corrupted orcs. The Shadow Council simply hadn’t exerted their shadowy control over the fledging Horde yet. Given that Blackhand wasn’t made Warchief yet, the Horde probably didn’t even exist by the time Garrosh made his move.
This is also different. In the AU the orcs were about to drink it before the formation of the Horde, before they even attacked the draenei, whereas in the MU they drank it when only Shattrath remained of draenei civilisation on Draenor.
It did not. And Garrosh made sure this wouldn’t happen by making sure Grom is the Warchief everyone rallies around with Garrosh as his prophet and the means to save the Orcish people. Garrosh assassinated the Elder Shaman of the Warsong who saw through Garrosh’s lies when Garrosh was manipulating Grom.
He essentially went back to just the right moment where Gul’dan hadn’t made his move yet, and the thought of a united Horde hadn’t been proposed so that he could play the prophet with a vision of a great calamity coming upon the orcs. He omitted their redemption (especially Grom’s) by Thrall’s hands to leave the orcs despairing, so that he could offer his Blackfuse tech as the only key to their salvation.
First you convince them there’s a problem, then sell them the solution that only you can provide. And murder witnesses who can contradict you. It’s Gul’dan’s playbook but without demons.
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A certified classic.
I know this is touched upon in a short story with the bronze shard showing Grommash all these things but the rest is just sort of handwaved away, like how Garrosh is supposed to teach the orcs how to build war machines to impress the clans without engineering knowledge and again how he managed to stay outside of the Shadow Council’s plans as they were very much operational at this point and soon had assets like Garona Halforcen at their beck and call.
If I had to guess two versions of WoD existed at some point, one with the Iron Horde truly different and using a massive Bronze Dragonflight device called the Chronal Spire to invade Azeroth fully seperated from the Old Horde’s methods and the Shadow Council eradicated, and another where it was more or less the Old Horde with Guns™ and the Shadow Council was still around and for reasons beyond me they decided to merge the two into a pretty uncohesive entity where you never get a clear vision of what the Iron Horde is supposed to do other than destroy everything indiscriminately, which as far as retcons go didn’t really help the idea of orcs being a noble people simply led astray by demons when Garrosh managed to convince them to even destroy their own people when in the previous short story it’s established orcs were very reluctant to fight each other because of Gul’dan convincing them about an “outside threat” which I assume would be the Draenei.
Edit: I hate punctuation and your eyes will suffer for it.
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He brought the entire remnants of the Blackfuse Company to Draenor to do so.