Some people like the base gameplay without tier… not me, but some do.
Wouldn’t that be T1 since it’s direct % increase to abilities without affecting gameplay?
Or are you saying you didn’t like HoW spam?
I prefer flat damage % increase for PVP which the season 1 ret set provides and also does not force us in to taking expurgation
Using Hammer of wrath on 20 targets just feels horrible. Now if they unlock the cap that will be a different story
Those 20 flowers die in 8 seconds or less… doesn’t really matter.
Most fights are 8 or less targets, mostly 5 or less.
If they unlock the cap… the dmg increase will be lower.
In the end it’s the dmg at 5 or less that you’ll spend most of the time doing.
Now idk who pulls 5 or less targets in high keys but sure lets go with that. Even if we ignore all this Tier 3 just Sims WAY higher and they would need to buff previous sets by alot which they wont. Like do we seriously believe blizzard would give us anything other than pathetic 3% dmg?
in what world? Imagine being 5 target capped in ToTT, and Everbloom, or BRH. Next season If I’m not mistaken Algethar will be there. No way you get most pulls under 5 in any of these dungeons.
That’s not tier tuning, that’s spec tuning.
For tier they can buff it appropriately, for example:
S1:
2pc - Judge, Boj, WoA: 15% dmg increase to >> 45% dmg increase
4pc - Holy Power abilities deal 10% more dmg to >> 30% more dmg
S2:
2pc - Judge and HoW 10% dmg and 15% crit + adding judge debuff to >> 30% dmg and 45% crit
4pc - Judgment increases dmg for finishers by an additional 15% and HoW does 20% dmg to 4 more targets to >> additional 30% and HoW does 75% to 8 targets
Does it matter in the end? Are those numbers high or low? Why are they high? Why are they low?
Tuning will be done outside of the set bonus as well, it’s irrelevant to look at numbers.
If they think our dmg will be too high with S3 they can nerf it as well, you never know.
The only uncapped dmg S3 does is Expurgation by 30% and the second Divine Storm’s Tempest of the Lightbringer, which that one is pathetic dmg, since it’s 20% of the Echo dmg.
Don’t worry, those flowers will still die regardless of your uncapped dmg, with or without the set bonus dmg.
still worse, whatever you do in M+, you overcap on the Judgement debuff a lot with the S2 set as well, and if you increase HoW damage too much you will just end up spamming it over everything else which is not healthy for the spec. So no can’t be tuned enough. S3 is already double in ST and way more in AOE, especially mass aoe.
Not to mention now we have one flex point in the spec tree, and with S2 we will need to lock in Vanguard’s Momentum, and Divine Purpose will be completely dead again, instead of being a niche fun talent for mass aoe.
So S2 is the worst in every way for PVE. Most restrictive, least versatile in damage profiles, and least easy to tune well.
Irrelevant, the judgment debuff is there to help you deal more dmg, if you “overcap” you treat the bonus like it’s a permanent increase in the dmg of the spenders.
HoW spam is still limited by 2 charges of HoW per ~5.5 seconds.
Before any tuning is done to S2.
As opposed to not using HoW in AOE at all like this season, right?
That’s not fun either to me.
And not having Vanguard’s Momentum already feels like crap since you don’t get 2 HP or have 2 charges of HoW.
we didnt use HoW in aoe last season either, only if a mob was under 20% to get the 2 HP.
and with 2 charges and 5.5 sec cd you have plenty of room to spam it instead of spending a FV and just overcap if it is buffed too much. Not fun gameplay.
Oh really? After you used up your judgment and its debuff, what did you press? BoJ to keep a pitiful dot up once in a while, then you just sit with your hammer up your shield?
No, you pressed HoW for the debuff and extra dmg.
How much is 2 much? Did you calculate the % or are just spouting some crap someone said once?
Tell me the % now.
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Mate, yea if you had nothing else to press yea, but in aoe BoJ was still a bigger prio, hell it was bigger prio than today and judgement was lower than now. Check the pala discord for guides
So you DID press it, right? Then why are you lying?
And yet if they buff S2 enough, you’ll prio it and only press BoJ to keep the debuff up, as you should.
I pressed on the last prio, yes. Even in execute a judgement was better, 2 Hopo and more damage to secondary targets, so HoW was only prio if you wanted to kill that one target and ignored the rest. Yea I pressed it as is. The lowest prio builder. HUUUGE lie.
Lie nonetheless, you act as if it didn’t exist and it wasn’t used.
You pressed Judge cause it offered 2 HP always, you pressed BoJ to keep the dot up, but that’s it.
You used HoW to put another set of judge debuffs up on the targets for your next DS.
And we’re talking about how it was used last season now, you’re completely ignoring that they said they’d buff the set bonuses, why is that?
No my point was, we press it the same now too as then, on the exact same prio as we pressed it before, in execute with VM talented, OR when there is nothing else to press. Great tierset really.
You used it more than BoJ, since it did more dmg, you only pressed BoJ to keep the debuff up, BoJ has a higher CD even though it has a reset sometimes.
Imagine pressing a button you have and calling it… when there is nothing else to press.
HoW did plenty of dmg and you’re acting like it was Crusader Strike lvl dmg.
well the 30% damage and 45% crit, would make my current 90k HoW to around 170k, and my FV on my toon crits 190-220k in CDs and doesnt always crit like HoW. Even with this it would get disturbingly close for a builder, and I am ofcourse not sure if that would be an enough buff, as S3 set is currently little more than double in pure ST
no, BoJ was (is) a very big prio and its prio increased with every added mob to the pack. But funily BoJ is less of a prio with the S3 set than with the S2