As an old wow player i see that there should be a system where tier set gears must have a special socket in them and in order we get one of the effects we must get a gem which can either be dropped from M+ or raid or pvp or even crafted by a jewel crafter, in that way we can have different players with different effects for different conent they play which will give them flexibility and freedom of choice because Tier 3 is the best for M+ and the worst for PVP as an example, if that system is going to be implemented in season 4, it will solve both current and future tier set problems. that system will make us all live in peace. because i cant guarantee that there wont be any trolls who dont main retribution paladin and vote to make the spec looks bad in PVP for an example just to climb the ladder easier and give a hard time for the people who play that spec and class for years
told paladin without any PVP activity) he isnt realized pain of PVP community with S3 set) when DAT blizzard make didnt work at all
Yeam I’m sure S1-S2 tiers will make u reach gladiator
Yeah ill do that myself thanks with hard work and dedication 
i mean i get why they only want 1 tier set in season 4, because people will complain about needing to farm 4 tier sets and they have to wait 3 weeks to get the tier sets they want because the right raid just routated out XD
That is not the case though is it ? because if you put a pvp piece in the catalyst it gives the pvp tier if you put pve in it gives the pve tier simples does not take a genius to figure that out does it
I agree with the pvpers, let’s go with S2 
Season 1 is the best only reason i have voted for season 3 is because i dont want the season 2 guys to get the mythic + set they want which is somehow winning on the us forums
S2 is not the mythic + set… S3 is, since it buffs uncapped aoe dmg. So you’re literally doing the opposite of what you want. lol
Stop with the complaints S3 it is!
I’m not sure what your goal is, you’re confusing me.
The Goalpost keeps moving.
People correlate their ‘success’ at a tier to the tier set instead of the data.
at 10.0.7, after the success that was class tree rework, which was a disaster for spec tree but let’s move on. With overtuned numbers due to first experience of blizzard’s talent tree rework after years. They saw success in pvp for few weeks untill it was nerfed to the ground anyway. Doesn’t matter. In the mind S1 tier seems it is OP
Meanwhile our spec tree and one class talent in particular effectively nullified the power of Ret each tier that passed. At S3 ret is just weak due to no benefit from secondary stats. So they see S3 tier as a fail due to irrelevant correlation. There is no data or actual fact on their claims that x or y is better than the objectively better option than their nostalgia.
S2 voters are mostly like “haha lol shiny hammer”
It doesn’t matter what tier set comes on top, they’ll re-tune them regardless.
Vote on what gameplay you prefer.
Well it does matter. Because if there is no way to tune s2 4p tier set bonus to bring in line with using s3 2p over it if it were to win the vote. So we’ll be rocking 2p from old tier.
S2 4p was non-existant on dps contribution in both AoE and ST and it was only visual update to the game with shinier bouncing hammer. As a matter of fact even during S2, using S1 2p with S2 2p was such a minimal loss (you have to consider the amount of main stat you are losing and it was still less than 1% loss), you could safely do it and as long as you didn’t need stamina. It was the better option in AoE and Cleave.
Is it though? If they made HoW AOE go for 100% you’d be singing that it’s OP, right?
Because even if at 20 targets the S3 bonus would win out ahead, how many times will you be fighting against 5 targets or less? More often than not will be lower number of targets.
So there are ways to buff it that S2 is better in certain situations than S3.
You won’t always have that flower pull in Academy where you can pad with the set bonus more, killing those small flowers in 5 seconds vs 6 isn’t going to make any difference in that m+ timer.
Killing 5 or lower packs faster even by 1 second will make the dungeon go faster, since that quantity of mobs will be the one you’ll encounter more often.
Well like i said. the Goalpost keeps moving. First get the tier you want because it looks cool. Then hope they buff it the way you want it so it wasn’t a dps loss etc. If they will buff it to begin with.
There is data, we know what is the better option. Why choose the bad one then beg around being underpowered for weeks asking for buffs?
There are no goalposts here, you’re the one claiming stuff, i’m disproving your notion that they can’t buff S2 or S1 to be better than S3.
Nobody should care about this, transmog exists.
They said they will be doing tuning to the tier sets. Will you feel like your life was a lie when they do?
You think there is a world where they can buff the S1 and S2 tier without breaking something up, by 200%?
Either way, will be fun seeing you in TWW conversations on why we need buffs.
edit: meant 200% to begin with not 300% just a fix.
Why can’t they? S3 now buffs something up as well.
They can buff anything from S1 and S2, in PVP they are already weakened and will be getting readjusted as well again.
It’s unrelated to anything in S4 so idk why you’d even mention TWW lmao, and I don’t ask for buffs in Alpha/Beta… it’s about design of the talents/abilities there, tuning is at the end of Beta.
Gameplay wise Tier 1 is absolute garbage with flat % increase. Tier 2 is the most boring tier set of all time aswell so theres no debate really