Returning player, struggling with PvP

PVP Arenas
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First off I’m looking for some suggestions from people who either gone through what I am about to describe or know a solution that works.

I haven’t played arenas actively since Wotlk(old one not classic), I’ve done some casual PvP up to BFA and it was fine, I could hold my own.

Now, in TWW I’ve been playing my warlock queueing solo rated arenas and BGs (would have loved these all those years ago…). I tried all specs so far, I had the best “success” with demonology ~1600, the other specs are unplayable to me.

As soon as I get on a melee heavy team i can just take off the hands off my keyboard, can’t play at all, between 10 mini-stun/silences/fears/grips and several interrupts I just can’t play my character.

If I try to kite and get some distance it is usually the healer complaining I do no damage, and that is true, kiting seems pointless, as soon as I port or use the gate the entire team seems to take 1 second to be on top of me.

I struggle a lot to get the damage out, I can’t play my character. The game is so damn overwhelming too, so many little cooldowns, so much :poop: happening at once on the screen. There are classes like DK where I don’t honestly know when I can get my turn to do some damage, between AMS/zone and all the mini stuns and stuns it’s like I have a 5 second window to do damage every 3 minutes I swear.

I literally don’t know how to improve, there is so much going on that I feel like there is no progress being made at all.

What is a new or returning player supposed to do to get into PvP? start playing all the melees out there and memorize each and every rotation and cooldown and then play something like a warlock? How is that even remotely realistic?

What was the point of nerfing all the long CC’s as it was in the older versions of WoW and replacing them with three times as many low cooldown/duration CC and mini-stuns and interrupts? This is way way more toxic.

Anyway rant over, I would really like to get into the game and play and feel like I’m improving, this just isn’t happening so far, playing my warlock in the rated solo content feels like I’m pushing against a wall, especially against melee teams.

Even with Impish Instincts my port feels like a waste of time, I use it and everyone is on top of me anyway and I’m back to getting 10 casts in a row not go through…

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Watch streams, record yourself and compare.

As a caster you need to learn to watch when your healer get controlled and find burst windows.

At low rating most melee players puts on their tunnel vision googles and have close to zero awareness that you many times can abuse.

It’s rough starting out as a caster but don’t give up, eventually you will learn how to react to different situations.

Warlock is probably one of the hardest to start out with as well consider how much aggro they get in the arena.

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Twitch and Youtube: search for “Jazggz”, hes the friendly lock which uploads videos and guids èn mass.

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That is the part I am struggling the most, I get shut down so hard by the tunneling, I am overwhelmed with surviving and I barely can find time to cast something.

It ends up either in me panicking and doing a stupid mistake kiting my healer from all the running/porting or the dampening gets high and someone just dies.

This game feels the exact opposite of the saying easy to play hard to master. I feel like I need to know the exact window of opportunity that I can cast based on knowing exactly how my enemy plays and their rotation. Else it is just role playing a moving target dummy getting bashed till I die or make a mistake.

While other classes literally do their PvE rotation with 0 thought and win.

What were the devs thinking? At this rate this game will never get new blood or old returning people into the PvP scene.

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As soon as I get on a melee heavy team i can just take off the hands off my keyboard, can’t play at all, between 10 mini-stun/silences/fears/grips and several interrupts I just can’t play my character.

That’s PvP nowadays. Become one or suck it up.

What is a new or returning player supposed to do to get into PvP?

Suffer. The game is not beginner-friendly by any means, not even in PvE, let alone in PvP, because they’re doing no steps towards that. You literally need to look up quests on 3rd party sources, what do you expect.

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In addition to the good advice you’ve gotten in this thread, I also just wanna add that PvP is hard for everyone atm. Over the course of a season the rating will inflate a bit, but right now, 1600 rating really aint bad.

I’ve consistently been able to get at least my 1800 elite set on multiple classes the last several seasons, but atm I can barely reach 1600 too. It’s just the nature of playing early season

Take a look at the leaderboards - not a single person has reached 2300 yet in this region. Not even the pros

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I kinda am doing just that, suffering plenty. I am just so damn frustrated there is a solo queue that wasn’t there all those years ago but the game is just… this now.

I’ll try grind through it some more, see maybe I figure out how others play warlocks.

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Pvp is broken. Do what i did. Quit, start training MMA. I am now a real life warrior who kicks butt irl. Now thats more fun then any pvp game.

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Too late to get into that at my age. I’ll take virtual behind-kicking over real one thank you very much!

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Hahahaha. Iam 36. Never to late :sweat_smile: doing mma 7 year now :grin:

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Is “I’m a professional MMA fighter” the new “my dad works at Nintendo” of 2024 ? I swear this is the 10th time I see someone posting something like that here

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Im not high rating yet and played shadowpriest last exp so i was already familiar with getting trained.
But warlock plays different because it doesn’t have much self healing anymore outside of dark pact and HS ofcs.

What is most important against double mellee is use of portal and gateway and their positioning.
Hopefully have a healer that can pump and stay safe while hes in range of you and your port position.
After using port and gateway if they are still on you and they have cds you need to pop dark pact.
During Unending Resolve you are immune to silence and interrupts. If they stun you during it use trinket then use Shadowfury first. Soul rot and UA them and soul swap it.
Talent Howl of terror instead of Deathcoil against double melee.
If you take the Impish Instincts PVP talent you can port again after using the rest.

and Ofc you still die even if you did all off the above if the healer cant heal you enough.
in lower ratings with bad healers and nobody peeling for you with triple melee dps you just have to take 0-6 to the chin sometimes.

But it feels amazing when you outplay melee and you just wail on them after a Soulrot and Phantom Singularity Soul Swap with the other dots up and hit them with instant Rapture and shadow bolt.
You also need to learn to fake cast and have omni cd to track their intterupts.

You do this or join the zug zug team.
Make an unholy dk, DH or warrior pop all cds focus one target. Ignore everything and go way beyond the rating of your warlock.
You will also have almost half the buttons on your actionbar.
reason most play melee on lower rating

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Tyvm for the breakdown, I stopped playing affliction and went with demonology since I’ve found that I survive better, even though the damage is not great… unlike affliction.

I found it to my linking having a healing reduction effect in addition to the soul rip pvp talent.

You mean unending resolve there and not dark pact right? Am I missing something and while the dark pact shield lasts I can’t be interrupted? The tooltip certainly doesn’t say so.

Yea I was quite surprised to see so many gladiator mounts in my queues. Also it’s been a while since launch, things are really moving slow if so many strong players are still sitting around these low ratings.

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Yea i meant Unending Resolve oops

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Iam not saying iam pro. I just wanted to do something so i dont get fat, sad and unhealthy. And mma keeps you in a good shape. And its super fun to actually know how to fight :grin:

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I would avise you to play some regular 2v2 before jumping into shuffle/blitz if you are not too used to the tempo, since it’s not as fast phased :slight_smile: just to practice your movement and cd trades, then you can easier transfer that skill into 3s/shuffle. Also if you dont have anyone to practice with, I can give you a helping hand if you’d like, just drop your btag or discord or something if so :slight_smile:

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