RIP PvP, no more addons

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Blizzard today:

will there be exceptions to combat lock restrictions for add-ons? in PVP it’s very useful to know when any new players have interrupts especially for healers or for casters. It’s currently being handled by add-ons. Any thoughts there?

They answer:
“Right now, there’s no exceptions for the addons in terms of the type of gameplay mode that you’re in, so that does include PVP. However, we are taking the opportunity to improve the nameplates as well to make those more effective. So things like being able to see your team’s status on their cooldowns, that will be a part of the HUD itself, as well as nameplates that will now show things like crowd control effects during PVP matches. So right on your nameplate, you’ll be able to see which person has crowd control effects on them much more clearly.”

So, this means no DR tracking. No tracking of enemy cooldowns.

Here is what I think that Blizzard does not understand. People are different. Some people read visual feedback good, some read audio feedback good. Some want to see information directly on characters, while others are better at reading information gathered in a frame. The point is, it is the same information, but tailored towards a players best ability to read them.

The whole purpose is that a dedicated player can customize how the game gives feedback to them. Be my guest Blizz, develop your UI for players that don’t care about addons, but let everyone else be able to customize their own feedback systems.

This is so infuriating, because Blizzard needs to go in the opposite direction with addons for PvP. Instead of disabling combat addons, they should start improving the API in the game and start curating spell lists for PvP specifically and providing DR feedback, so that addons can become more user-friendly and robust, and not to mention come in many more flavors as it would become much easier to develop them. Right now, spell lists are curated by the community, and though they are doing their best, the lists are always incomplete or not updated in time if not at all.

It is so very very cheap. They are just copying what some addons invented, and they will arbitrarily stitch together some UI which some people will like while others will hate.

Combat addons need to stay in PvP, because there is too much clutter in the game and too much that is going on. Without the addons the learning curve will multiply by 10X. Good luck getting in to PvP, as if it was not already a feat.

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They’re simplifying classes (which I love).

Now we won’t need 500 different addons to track 500 different things.

Everything I’ve read in the alpha development post sounds insanely good tbh. Hopefully we can finally focus on the game and not looking at a starship control panel to track everything.

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Its not that its hard to get into PVP its that if you dont use addons currently you are playing handicapped the addons are legit telling you what to do with sound queues and icons taking away a big part of the learning curve.

This is a great change for newer players and will throw the skillcap off players off a bit also players who got used to playing only with addons might struggle but there was a time in wow history when it would be considered cheating to use what we use today.

they just need to make the animations more clear now when people are bursting and tone down all the AOE stuff.

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can someone tldr and explain if we will be able to track our own procs like execute procs, backlash aimed shot etc or will that be built in?

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Combat Addons should have been pruned from PvP a long time ago. Skill should matter more.
QoL stuff like capping is okay tho.

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Well of course they would want to dumb the game down to 3 button classes. Much easier than actually developing complexity. I am glad that you are pleased by cheap tricks.

All the more reason for blizzard to support the addon community to make addons higher quality. They are just choosing the cheapest solutions, which will make the game rubbish.

Yeah and where will i learn what animations and sounds represent which spells? oh that is right, there will be no tool provided for this by Blizzard. So the only way will be to play all 40 classes at max level. FUN. Perfect for someone who played wow since vanilla, but no deal for entry level.

How is presenting the same information in a different way less skill? If a player can not get used to how blizzard provides game information, then this player will not develop any more skill and just quit.

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Not to mention, different specs will be hit differently by this. Classes that can bubble or ice cube out of any CC might not notice much difference, but good luck trying to pre-glimpse or pre-fade the CC.

Everybody can recognize a Demon hunter meta, but things like deathmark are visualy very subtle cooldowns.

I am 100% positive that for PVP, they will screw it up.

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Been playing without addons as is, all for it tbh.

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Will just be huge buff for melee if caster/heal are not able to fake cast anymore if there is no way of knowing whether they have kick on cd. Its also literally impossible to see or hear anyone kicking under all the 300 minions and totems and explosions and bladestorms and dh doing fel rush zig zag and monk with his clones doing massage in air, absolute noway of seeing whether some made kick or not in all this. All caster dps will take hit from it and healers will suffer, its a massive buff for melee however. Extremely dumb decision and fake casting have been the skill ceiling of caster since vanil.

The new dh range dps spec will be their new overtuned favorite I’m certain, will just play it, everything that cast for dps or have to cast for heals will be dead without seeing kicks.

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Will just be huge buff for melee if caster/heal are not able to fake cast anymore if there is no way of knowing whether they have kick on cd.

That’s an excellent point, trying to fakecast will become even more of a nightmare…

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Ayo, How am I supposed to play the game without my airhorn sounds and phones ringing???

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You want to complexity but also addons to make it less complex?

You found the problem and solution in one paragraph. You can also look at videos on youtube for guides and advice.

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PVP midnight will be wild bad

No Dr tracker, but only 2Dr (wich i was like Pog no more 3dr garroted into 3 Dr stun ) and then they set cc from 18 too 16 sec so you sit again infinity CC wow great yikes idk what too feel about it

I need so many add-ons that just hold the UI clean
And I doubt that you can clear see if you your DPS needs a dispell

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Gonna be funny to see people that are reliant on add-ons not be able to play without them.

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^ This bit will be interesting.

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The way we all used to learn which was socialising with people who play the class you want to learn about and asking them how it works or making one yourself to learn its part of the learning curve for all games you can also look online at videos we didnt have access to much of that in the past.

Because in the past you used to be able to bait cds by doing a cd chain and not pressing damage now you cant do that if the enemy player uses weakauras to track enemy cds as a giant horn tells you when to press it also can make a sound effect for when your healer is in cc so you dont have to look out for that either.

Newer players dont use these addons casual players dont use them its unfair that they was even in the game they take days to make if you want to make the UI perfect for yourself with even adding new things when they are needed

Or you need to pay for peoples UI via a sub or donation casual players are not interested in this they just want to play the game.

Lets be honest even with these addons you dont know what each dps class does you just hear the burst cd horn go off for avatar/bust/blades/trueshot and press a CD this is also why the easy to play classes are not getting nerfed because you actually can counter them with weakauras if they was not in the game blizzard would actually be able to look at the classes that are one shotting the lower players because higher players cant be caught off guard.

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here you whine that learning every spell in the game the hard way is part of the learning curve, so you want the player to put in immense effort and time.

here you whine that configuring addons takes days, so you want the player to not put effort and time.

Conclusion: you are not writing with logic but with your emotions

I hear this all the time. Go watch a stream or videos. I have to watch hours of footage completely focused to catch a glimpse of a spell and try to understand if that spell is what i think it is or not and trying to hear how it sounds behind the blasting music or player speaking. How efficient. I will have to watch videos for years before i actually can play.

I guess that just as long as Blizzard does not have to develop something useful for the player base, you are happy?

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Good, maybe people will finally learn to count DRs in their head.
Skill issue

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I’ve always played without addons. The only addon I use in PvP is recount.

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DR and CD tracking all in the head is upping the skill floor exponentially. But hey, Blizzard is working on reducing the number of buttons to make it seem like they are going in the opposite direction and making the game easier.

So which is it? Just by reading some of the answers here it seems that people are just as unaware of the irony as Blizzard is.